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Sad odgledah, ponukan temom, "We shall remain" 5. epizodu, zadnja indijanska bitka (protest) protiv diskriminacije u americkom drustvu 1973. godine. wow..
On the Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota, some 200 Sioux Native Americans, led by members of the American Indian Movement (AIM), occupy Wounded Knee, the site of the infamous 1890 massacre of 300 Sioux by the U.S. Seventh Cavalry. The AIM members, some of them armed, took 11 residents of the historic Oglala Sioux settlement hostage as local authorities and federal agents descended on the reservation.
AIM was founded in 1968 by Russell Means, Dennis Banks, and other Native leaders as a militant political and civil rights organization. From November 1969 to June 1971, AIM members occupied Alcatraz Island off San Francisco, saying they had the right to it under a treaty provision granting them unused federal land. In November 1972, AIM members briefly occupied the Bureau of Indian Affairs in Washington, D.C., to protest programs controlling reservation development. Then, in early 1973, AIM prepared for its dramatic occupation of Wounded Knee. In addition to its historical significance, Wounded Knee was one of the poorest communities in the United States and shared with the other Pine Ridge settlements some of the country’s lowest rates of life expectancy.
The day after the Wounded Knee occupation began, AIM members traded gunfire with the federal marshals surrounding the settlement and fired on automobiles and low-flying planes that dared come within rifle range. Russell Means began negotiations for the release of the hostages, demanding that the U.S. Senate launch an investigation of the Bureau of Indian Affairs and all Sioux reservations in South Dakota, and that the Senate Foreign Relations Committee hold hearings on the scores of Indian treaties broken by the U.S. government.
The Wounded Knee occupation lasted for a total of 71 days, during which time two Sioux men were shot to death by federal agents and several more were wounded. On May 8, the AIM leaders and their supporters surrendered after officials promised to investigate their complaints. Russell Means and Dennis Banks were arrested, but on September 16, 1973, the charges against them were dismissed by a federal judge because of the U.S. government’s unlawful handling of witnesses and evidence.
Violence continued on the Pine Ridge Reservation throughout the rest of the 1970s, with several more AIM members and supporters losing their lives in confrontations with the U.S. government. In 1975, two FBI agents and a Native man were killed in a shoot-out between federal agents and AIM members and local residents. In the trial that followed, AIM member Leonard Peltier was found guilty of first-degree murder and sentenced to two consecutive life terms. With many of its leaders in prison, AIM disbanded in 1978. Local AIM groups continued to function, however, and in 1981 one group occupied part of the Black Hills in South Dakota. Congress took no steps to honor broken Indian treaties, but in the courts some tribes won major settlements from federal and state governments in cases involving tribal land claims. Russell Means continued to advocate for Native rights at Pine Ridge and elsewhere and in 1988 was a presidential candidate for the Libertarian Party. In 2001, Means attempted to run for the governorship of New Mexico, but his candidacy was disallowed because procedure had not been followed. Beginning in 1992, Means appeared in several films, including Last of the Mohicans. He also had a guest spot on HBO’s Curb Your Enthusiasm. His autobiography, Where White Men Fear to Tread, was published in 1997. Means died on October 12, 2012, at age 72.
Leonard Peltier remains in prison, although efforts to win him pardon continue.
On the Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota, some 200 Sioux Native Americans, led by members of the American Indian Movement (AIM), occupy Wounded Knee, the site of the infamous 1890 massacre of 300 Sioux by the U.S. Seventh Cavalry. The AIM members, some of them armed, took 11 residents of the historic Oglala Sioux settlement hostage as local authorities and federal agents descended on the reservation.
AIM was founded in 1968 by Russell Means, Dennis Banks, and other Native leaders as a militant political and civil rights organization. From November 1969 to June 1971, AIM members occupied Alcatraz Island off San Francisco, saying they had the right to it under a treaty provision granting them unused federal land. In November 1972, AIM members briefly occupied the Bureau of Indian Affairs in Washington, D.C., to protest programs controlling reservation development. Then, in early 1973, AIM prepared for its dramatic occupation of Wounded Knee. In addition to its historical significance, Wounded Knee was one of the poorest communities in the United States and shared with the other Pine Ridge settlements some of the country’s lowest rates of life expectancy.
The day after the Wounded Knee occupation began, AIM members traded gunfire with the federal marshals surrounding the settlement and fired on automobiles and low-flying planes that dared come within rifle range. Russell Means began negotiations for the release of the hostages, demanding that the U.S. Senate launch an investigation of the Bureau of Indian Affairs and all Sioux reservations in South Dakota, and that the Senate Foreign Relations Committee hold hearings on the scores of Indian treaties broken by the U.S. government.
The Wounded Knee occupation lasted for a total of 71 days, during which time two Sioux men were shot to death by federal agents and several more were wounded. On May 8, the AIM leaders and their supporters surrendered after officials promised to investigate their complaints. Russell Means and Dennis Banks were arrested, but on September 16, 1973, the charges against them were dismissed by a federal judge because of the U.S. government’s unlawful handling of witnesses and evidence.
Violence continued on the Pine Ridge Reservation throughout the rest of the 1970s, with several more AIM members and supporters losing their lives in confrontations with the U.S. government. In 1975, two FBI agents and a Native man were killed in a shoot-out between federal agents and AIM members and local residents. In the trial that followed, AIM member Leonard Peltier was found guilty of first-degree murder and sentenced to two consecutive life terms. With many of its leaders in prison, AIM disbanded in 1978. Local AIM groups continued to function, however, and in 1981 one group occupied part of the Black Hills in South Dakota. Congress took no steps to honor broken Indian treaties, but in the courts some tribes won major settlements from federal and state governments in cases involving tribal land claims. Russell Means continued to advocate for Native rights at Pine Ridge and elsewhere and in 1988 was a presidential candidate for the Libertarian Party. In 2001, Means attempted to run for the governorship of New Mexico, but his candidacy was disallowed because procedure had not been followed. Beginning in 1992, Means appeared in several films, including Last of the Mohicans. He also had a guest spot on HBO’s Curb Your Enthusiasm. His autobiography, Where White Men Fear to Tread, was published in 1997. Means died on October 12, 2012, at age 72.
Leonard Peltier remains in prison, although efforts to win him pardon continue.
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Re: Na današnji dan ubijen Bik koji sjedi
Al neshatljivo je, da su već bili ovladali ionako inferiornim indijancima, potrpali ih u rezervate i na kraju ih progonili i poubijali, sve zbog toga što su se plašili nekog indijanskog religijskog plesa.
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moram vam reci , jako malo poznajete povijest americkih indijanaca
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Pa šta tu ima da se zna? Njihova zemlja, a skoro da ih nema.
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Re: Na današnji dan ubijen Bik koji sjedi
pa imaju zemljuKrokodil Behko wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 17:07 Pa šta tu ima da se zna? Njihova zemlja, a skoro da ih nema.
a kako mislis , da ih skoro nema
puno je amerikanaca ,najcesce bijelaca, indijanskog porijekla
radila sam sa 100% mladim Indijancem iz Minnesotte
ne znate intrene probleme indijanaca
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Re: Na današnji dan ubijen Bik koji sjedi
statebriga wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 17:10pa imaju zemljuKrokodil Behko wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 17:07 Pa šta tu ima da se zna? Njihova zemlja, a skoro da ih nema.
a kako mislis , da ih skoro nema
puno je amerikanaca ,najcesce bijelaca, indijanskog porijekla
radila sam sa 100% mladim Indijancem iz Minnesotte
ne znate intrene probleme indijanaca
Shvatam ja taj problem. Bili su na nivou lovačkih društava, nisu znali za pojam svojina, pogotovo nad zemljom, pa otuda i ono poznato pismo poglavice koji se zove "Pero pa još nešto".
Za opstanak 1000 indijanaca, bilo je potrebno oko 100 puta više zemlje, nego za opstanak bijelaca, pošto su se indijanci isključivo bavili lovom.
Shvatam taj problem, baš kao što shvatam i to da je Amerika, kao mlada demoktratija, bila magnet za svu evropsku sirotinju, pogotovo što joj je Bog dao sve što se jednoj zemlji može dati. Pravi raj na zemlji. Ne postoji nijedna druga zemlja sa toliko različitih klimatskih pojasa, sa toliko raznovrsnih ruda, sa beskrajnim ravnicama, neprohodnim planinama i nepreglednim šumama. Sa hiljadama rijeka, sa nekoliko mora i okeana.
Indijanci su prosto morali nestati, ibti sabijeni u rezervate, koji su po pravilo daleko od glavnih resursa, a oni dole na jugu, u sred pustinje su.
Zašto nisu sve rezervate sastavili jedan pored drugog, pa da postoji i zasebna indijanska država?
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pisi o idijancima cijele Amerike, ne iskljucovo Sjevrene AmerikeKrokodil Behko wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 17:18statebriga wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 17:10pa imaju zemljuKrokodil Behko wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 17:07 Pa šta tu ima da se zna? Njihova zemlja, a skoro da ih nema.
a kako mislis , da ih skoro nema
puno je amerikanaca ,najcesce bijelaca, indijanskog porijekla
radila sam sa 100% mladim Indijancem iz Minnesotte
ne znate intrene probleme indijanaca
Shvatam ja taj problem. Bili su na nivou lovačkih društava, nisu znali za pojam svojina, pogotovo nad zemljom, pa otuda i ono poznato pismo poglavice koji se zove "Pero pa još nešto".
Za opstanak 1000 indijanaca, bilo je potrebno oko 100 puta više zemlje, nego za opstanak bijelaca, pošto su se indijanci isključivo bavili lovom.
Shvatam taj problem, baš kao što shvatam i to da je Amerika, kao mlada demoktratija, bila magnet za svu evropsku sirotinju, pogotovo što joj je Bog dao sve što se jednoj zemlji može dati. Pravi raj na zemlji. Ne postoji nijedna druga zemlja sa toliko različitih klimatskih pojasa, sa toliko raznovrsnih ruda, sa beskrajnim ravnicama, neprohodnim planinama i nepreglednim šumama. Sa hiljadama rijeka, sa nekoliko mora i okeana.
Indijanci su prosto morali nestati, ibti sabijeni u rezervate, koji su po pravilo daleko od glavnih resursa, a oni dole na jugu, u sred pustinje su.
Zašto nisu sve rezervate sastavili jedan pored drugog, pa da postoji i zasebna indijanska država?
posmtaras iz jednog kutka povijets indijanaca, zato pisem, da imas pogresnu "viziju" inidijanske proslosti i sadasnjsoti
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Re: Na današnji dan ubijen Bik koji sjedi
statebriga wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 17:26pisi o idijancima cijele Amerike, ne iskljucovo Sjevrene AmerikeKrokodil Behko wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 17:18statebriga wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 17:10pa imaju zemljuKrokodil Behko wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 17:07 Pa šta tu ima da se zna? Njihova zemlja, a skoro da ih nema.
a kako mislis , da ih skoro nema
puno je amerikanaca ,najcesce bijelaca, indijanskog porijekla
radila sam sa 100% mladim Indijancem iz Minnesotte
ne znate intrene probleme indijanaca
Shvatam ja taj problem. Bili su na nivou lovačkih društava, nisu znali za pojam svojina, pogotovo nad zemljom, pa otuda i ono poznato pismo poglavice koji se zove "Pero pa još nešto".
Za opstanak 1000 indijanaca, bilo je potrebno oko 100 puta više zemlje, nego za opstanak bijelaca, pošto su se indijanci isključivo bavili lovom.
Shvatam taj problem, baš kao što shvatam i to da je Amerika, kao mlada demoktratija, bila magnet za svu evropsku sirotinju, pogotovo što joj je Bog dao sve što se jednoj zemlji može dati. Pravi raj na zemlji. Ne postoji nijedna druga zemlja sa toliko različitih klimatskih pojasa, sa toliko raznovrsnih ruda, sa beskrajnim ravnicama, neprohodnim planinama i nepreglednim šumama. Sa hiljadama rijeka, sa nekoliko mora i okeana.
Indijanci su prosto morali nestati, ibti sabijeni u rezervate, koji su po pravilo daleko od glavnih resursa, a oni dole na jugu, u sred pustinje su.
Zašto nisu sve rezervate sastavili jedan pored drugog, pa da postoji i zasebna indijanska država?
posmtaras iz jednog kutka povijets indijanaca, zato pisem, da imas pogresnu "viziju" inidijanske proslosti i sadasnjsoti
Indijanci centralne i južne Amerike, bili su na drugačijem stadiju razvoja, pa tako da nam preostaje da govorimo o sjevernoameričkim, onako zasebno. Centralni i južni nisu bili lovačka društva, bar ne u velikoj mjeri. Imali su mnoge zanate, stočarstvo, poljoprivredu i sl.
Iz tog razloga, oni i jesu opstali u velikim procentima, pošto je jaz između njih i bijelaca bio manji, plus što njihove teritorije nisu ni bile toliko atraktivne kao sjevernoamerička. Sve same pustinje ili prašume
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Krokodilko, ali uvijek pises o jadnim Indijancima, jer su bijelci krivi za sve sto im se tad desavalo , ili kako im je danas lose, jer ih bijeli i dalje maltretiraju , nema kritikckog pristupa ka indijnacima
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statebriga wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 17:34 Krokodilko, ali uvijek pises o jadnim Indijancima, jer su bijelci krivi za sve sto im se tad desavalo , ili kako im je danas lose, jer ih bijeli i dalje maltretiraju , nema kritikckog pristupa ka indijnacima
Oni ne moraju biti perfektni, pošto su na brzinu i mimo svoje volje, morali kako-tako da naprave skok od 8000 godina, u jednom danu. Šta je sa mnogim drugim koji su nekad prednjačili u razvoju, a sad su u debelom zaostaku? Šta je sa Romima, zašto se oni ne uklope? Zašto bi se smao indijanci morali odmah uklopiti?
Kako su se uklopili crnci? Koliko ih u USA radi, a koliko ih je na socijali? Latinosa? bilo koga osim indijanaca?
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ima masu primmjera sa indijancima koji su se odlicno uklopili u 21 stoljece , znaci, oni su upravo dokaz, da jedan indijanac u Sjeverjnoj Amrici nije i ne mora se dalje osjecati ugrozenimKrokodil Behko wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 17:59statebriga wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 17:34 Krokodilko, ali uvijek pises o jadnim Indijancima, jer su bijelci krivi za sve sto im se tad desavalo , ili kako im je danas lose, jer ih bijeli i dalje maltretiraju , nema kritikckog pristupa ka indijnacima
Oni ne moraju biti perfektni, pošto su na brzinu i mimo svoje volje, morali kako-tako da naprave skok od 8000 godina, u jednom danu. Šta je sa mnogim drugim koji su nekad prednjačili u razvoju, a sad su u debelom zaostaku? Šta je sa Romima, zašto se oni ne uklope? Zašto bi se smao indijanci morali odmah uklopiti?
Kako su se uklopili crnci? Koliko ih u USA radi, a koliko ih je na socijali? Latinosa? bilo koga osim indijanaca?
na Balkanu je bio vrijednih Roma, to je dokaz da ih sredina nije uporo izbacivala iz vlastitog sistema
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Kako da te ne nervira kad ovolike gluposti pise samo da pise?
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ja se ne nerviram kad ti pises gluposti
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nisu imali sanse od kolonizatora EVROPLJANA
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Indijanci su prepoznavali pet rodova: Ljudi s dva duha
Američki starosjedioci su prepoznavali pet rodova, a tek kad su došli osvajači iz Evrope, nametnuli su im svoja pravila i natjerali ih da podijele na muškarce i žene.
U plemenima koja su živjela širom Sjeverne i Centralne Amerike nisu postojale samo žene i muškarci, već i ljudi koji su se identifikovali na drugačije načine i niko ih zbog toga nije vrijeđao ili nazivao abnormalnim.
Prema pisanju "Indian Country Today", neke domorodačke zajednice su priznavale i pet rodova: ženski, muški, ženski s dva duha, muški s dva duha i transrodni.
U indijanskim kulturama, ljudi su cijenjeni prema doprinosu plemenu, a ne prema muževnosti ili ženstvenosti. Roditelji također nisu davali uloge djeci po rođenju, pa čak je i dječija odjeća uglavnom bila rodno neutralna. Nije bilo ideja ili ideala o tome kako bi osoba trebalo da živi ili voli; to je jednostavno bio prirodni čin koji se događao bez presude ili oklijevanja.
U većini plemena nije bilo nikakvih negativnih stigmi povezanih sa homoseksualcima, biseksualcima i transrodnim osobama, niti je zabilježeno da se ikada dešavalo nasilje prema njima ili neki incidenti.
Svako pleme je imalo svoje posebne termine za njih, Navaho su ih zvali "Nádleehí" (onaj koji je transformisan), među Lakotama su bili poznati kao Winkté (muškarci koji imaju poriv da se ponašaju kao žene), Čejeni su ih zvali "Hemaneh" (polumuškarac, polužena),...
Kultura osoba s dva duha je bila među prvima koje su Evropljani pokušavali da unište i prikriju kada su počeli da osvajaju Ameriku, piše Blic.
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Fascinantno
Zainteresovalo me, sad procitah cijelu temu
Nije bilo ideja ili ideala o tome kako bi osoba trebalo da živi ili voli; to je jednostavno bio prirodni čin koji se događao bez presude ili oklijevanja.
Zainteresovalo me, sad procitah cijelu temu
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