Je li žena u današnjem društvu sexualni objekat?
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Re: Je li žena u današnjem društvu sexualni objekat?
Odoh ja za hajrom, malo sam naletila.
Pišemo se kasnije, bezbeli ću te zateći u koja god doba da uđem.
Pišemo se kasnije, bezbeli ću te zateći u koja god doba da uđem.
Gospode, gdje li pronalaze, ovoliku đubrad i mamlaze.
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Re: Je li žena u današnjem društvu sexualni objekat?
Kljucna poenta.KAda se pogledaju novci koji se u tim industrijama obrću, ipak će biti da sam ja u pravu.
I nije stvar odbrane, napada, prava ili neprava..
(kako se to inace zaveze u cvor kad s druge strane dolazi neugodna muzika. Razmijenjujemo vidike... Suprotnih, slicnih ili pararelnih puteljaka, svejedno. No ok. zaustavljam se. Jutros i jesam nenaspavana (ako sam uopce i spavala ) pa bih mogla napisati svasta.
Svijest ima sidrište.
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Re: Je li žena u današnjem društvu sexualni objekat?
THE MUSHROOM HUNTERS
by Neil Gaiman
Science, as you know, my little one, is the study
of the nature and behaviour of the universe.
It’s based on observation, on experiment, and measurement,
and the formulation of laws to describe the facts revealed.
In the old times, they say, the men came already fitted with brains
designed to follow flesh-beasts at a run,
to hurdle blindly into the unknown,
and then to find their way back home when lost
with a slain antelope to carry between them.
Or, on bad hunting days, nothing.
The women, who did not need to run down prey,
had brains that spotted landmarks and made paths between them
left at the thorn bush and across the scree
and look down in the bole of the half-fallen tree,
because sometimes there are mushrooms.
Before the flint club, or flint butcher’s tools,
The first tool of all was a sling for the baby
to keep our hands free
and something to put the berries and the mushrooms in,
the roots and the good leaves, the seeds and the crawlers.
Then a flint pestle to smash, to crush, to grind or break.
And sometimes men chased the beasts
into the deep woods,
and never came back.
Some mushrooms will kill you,
while some will show you gods
and some will feed the hunger in our bellies. Identify.
Others will kill us if we eat them raw,
and kill us again if we cook them once,
but if we boil them up in spring water, and pour the water away,
and then boil them once more, and pour the water away,
only then can we eat them safely. Observe.
Observe childbirth, measure the swell of bellies and the shape of breasts,
and through experience discover how to bring babies safely into the world.
Observe everything.
And the mushroom hunters walk the ways they walk
and watch the world, and see what they observe.
And some of them would thrive and lick their lips,
While others clutched their stomachs and expired.
So laws are made and handed down on what is safe. Formulate.
The tools we make to build our lives:
our clothes, our food, our path home…
all these things we base on observation,
on experiment, on measurement, on truth.
And science, you remember, is the study
of the nature and behaviour of the universe,
based on observation, experiment, and measurement,
and the formulation of laws to describe these facts.
The race continues. An early scientist
drew beasts upon the walls of caves
to show her children, now all fat on mushrooms
and on berries, what would be safe to hunt.
The men go running on after beasts.
The scientists walk more slowly, over to the brow of the hill
and down to the water’s edge and past the place where the red clay runs.
They are carrying their babies in the slings they made,
freeing their hands to pick the mushrooms.
by Neil Gaiman
Science, as you know, my little one, is the study
of the nature and behaviour of the universe.
It’s based on observation, on experiment, and measurement,
and the formulation of laws to describe the facts revealed.
In the old times, they say, the men came already fitted with brains
designed to follow flesh-beasts at a run,
to hurdle blindly into the unknown,
and then to find their way back home when lost
with a slain antelope to carry between them.
Or, on bad hunting days, nothing.
The women, who did not need to run down prey,
had brains that spotted landmarks and made paths between them
left at the thorn bush and across the scree
and look down in the bole of the half-fallen tree,
because sometimes there are mushrooms.
Before the flint club, or flint butcher’s tools,
The first tool of all was a sling for the baby
to keep our hands free
and something to put the berries and the mushrooms in,
the roots and the good leaves, the seeds and the crawlers.
Then a flint pestle to smash, to crush, to grind or break.
And sometimes men chased the beasts
into the deep woods,
and never came back.
Some mushrooms will kill you,
while some will show you gods
and some will feed the hunger in our bellies. Identify.
Others will kill us if we eat them raw,
and kill us again if we cook them once,
but if we boil them up in spring water, and pour the water away,
and then boil them once more, and pour the water away,
only then can we eat them safely. Observe.
Observe childbirth, measure the swell of bellies and the shape of breasts,
and through experience discover how to bring babies safely into the world.
Observe everything.
And the mushroom hunters walk the ways they walk
and watch the world, and see what they observe.
And some of them would thrive and lick their lips,
While others clutched their stomachs and expired.
So laws are made and handed down on what is safe. Formulate.
The tools we make to build our lives:
our clothes, our food, our path home…
all these things we base on observation,
on experiment, on measurement, on truth.
And science, you remember, is the study
of the nature and behaviour of the universe,
based on observation, experiment, and measurement,
and the formulation of laws to describe these facts.
The race continues. An early scientist
drew beasts upon the walls of caves
to show her children, now all fat on mushrooms
and on berries, what would be safe to hunt.
The men go running on after beasts.
The scientists walk more slowly, over to the brow of the hill
and down to the water’s edge and past the place where the red clay runs.
They are carrying their babies in the slings they made,
freeing their hands to pick the mushrooms.
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Re: Je li žena u današnjem društvu sexualni objekat?
Na ovo sam naletio nedavno. Iskreno, lijepa je poema, ali isto tako je generalizirajuća, predrasudna i skoro pa šovinistička
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Re: Je li žena u današnjem društvu sexualni objekat?
moguce, ovisno o perspektivi.
(ako se na feminizam gleda kao na prijetnju muskosti, a ne na partnerstvo ugradjeno u dnk )
(ako se na feminizam gleda kao na prijetnju muskosti, a ne na partnerstvo ugradjeno u dnk )
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Re: Je li žena u današnjem društvu sexualni objekat?
Pa samo zamisli da je iz muške perspektive pisana i da slavi muške vrijednosti, a ženske banalizira i generalizira
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Re: Je li žena u današnjem društvu sexualni objekat?
ne postoji feminizam, vec feminizmi, a kao takvi,najcsce upravo jesu istovremena prijtnja i zenama i muskracima
za partnerstvo treba mnogo vise od obicnih politickih grupisanja
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Re: Je li žena u današnjem društvu sexualni objekat?
napisana je iz muske perspektive
ne vidim da nesto banalizira - to sto su lijepi stihovi, sto je lijepa amandina interpretacija i sto je animirani kratki film docarao imagery stihova, meni ne znaci banalizaciju, jer znam da je prvenstveno namijenjena djeci (da docara i brisanje zena iz nauke, historijski narativ). nije bas da ovi stihovi lazu, a film moze otvoriti djeciji um, pa vidim u tome svrhu.
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Re: Je li žena u današnjem društvu sexualni objekat?
nije feminizam, nego feminizmi...ok
prijetnja istovremeno i zenama i muskarcima... boze, OK.
kakvo je politicko grupisanje feminizam? ne razumijem te, ali hajde sta ima jos
Re: Je li žena u današnjem društvu sexualni objekat?
A dobro, svako mijenjanje postojećeg stanja je prijetnja onima koji od tog stanja profitiraju.
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pa upravo politicki i finansjiski usmjereni ka narusavanju zdrave komunikacije
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Re: Je li žena u današnjem društvu sexualni objekat?
Jako je lijepo napisana pjesma.Skin wrote: ↑08 Mar 2020, 12:59napisana je iz muske perspektive
ne vidim da nesto banalizira - to sto su lijepi stihovi, sto je lijepa amandina interpretacija i sto je animirani kratki film docarao imagery stihova, meni ne znaci banalizaciju, jer znam da je prvenstveno namijenjena djeci (da docara i brisanje zena iz nauke, historijski narativ). nije bas da ovi stihovi lazu, a film moze otvoriti djeciji um, pa vidim u tome svrhu.
Ali, ne mogu a da ne primjetim blagu satanizaciju muškaraca u ovim stihovima. Ne sporim ja da je zasluženo, ali samo hoću reći - da su zamijenjene uloge u pjesmi, da se na ovakav način generaliziraju žene i satanizira njihova uloga u historiji, razapeli bi pjesnika
Naravno da nema razloga da se to radi, ali nije to poenta... ; )
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Re: Je li žena u današnjem društvu sexualni objekat?
u mom društvu - jest.
salinse malo, nazamjerite, novi sam, opet kazem.
ja sam veci feminist nego 22% zena ovde. kolko bar ja vidim.
salinse malo, nazamjerite, novi sam, opet kazem.
ja sam veci feminist nego 22% zena ovde. kolko bar ja vidim.
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Re: Je li žena u današnjem društvu sexualni objekat?
Feministicki pokret tezi da postane politicka grupacija kao i LGBT pokret, to je tako ocito samo im nedostaje kriticna masa.
I slazem se sa Venerom, taj pokret je populisticki i nanio je vise stete vezama od turskih sapunica. Po njihovom zena ima pravo da maltretira svakog oko sebe, da razbija po kuci jer je ustala na lijevu nogu, da ode sa djecom jer joj muz ne seni uz nogu, da ponizava svako drugo zivo bice jer je ona zena, da tuzi poslodavca jer je ne tretira bolje od ostalih kolega, da ima pravo na izbor ljubavnika jer nije zadovoljena ovaj vikend, a ona mora biti zadovoljena jer je zena, sve pod izgovorom nase bake su bile maltretirane (i to je vrlo upitno) i sad je doslo nase vrijeme.
Kome treba takva mahnita osoba???
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Re: Je li žena u današnjem društvu sexualni objekat?
Mnoge zene vrlo dobro iskoristavaju sebe kao seksualni objekat i to njima ne smeta.
Smeta drugima koji moraju na tezi nacin da dostignu isto.
Smeta drugima koji moraju na tezi nacin da dostignu isto.
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