Naprotiv, ja sam ubijedjen da svi živi organizmi, kad ih rasčlaniš na najprostije faktore, funkcionišu na bazi jedne te iste logike, baš kao inpr digitalni uredjaji. Ako se to prokljuvi u najsitniji detalj, tad je stvar pod kontrolom. Ovako mi i danas manje-više istjeravamo zle duhove iz insana misleći da imamo lijek. Dosta se toga postiglo, ne velim, ali sad je vrijeme da nova tehnologija to dobrano preuzme, da nam svima bude bolje.immuno wrote: ↑05 Aug 2022, 17:43Melek sad bas pretjera, nezaboravi u medicini 2+2 nije nikad 4, svaki pacijent je prica, shema, masina za sebe. Jedan te Isti lijek nema isto djelovanje ni kod 2 brata ( znaci genotip priblizan, slican, Isti kod blizanaca recimo)Melek wrote: ↑05 Aug 2022, 17:29 I bez imalo zeze, ako se hoće postići revolucionarni napredak u sferi npr tih imunoloških bolesti itd, onda težište baš treba da se postavi na AI i machine learning u IT sektoru, razviti superiorne algoritme za rješenja tog pitanja a ne nastaviti sa ovim nazovi istraživačkim radom tradicionalnog tipa koji je više nego kilav, nepredvidiv pa čak i podložan korupciji (u vidu tih nadrikompanija koje nešto lafo istražuju a čiji je cilj pitati tim uhljeba do penzije). To je to. Tehnika i tehnologija su spas a ne random kapači kapi u kojekakve epruvete i sjekači miševa, wtf.
Skoro je Doktor iz njemacki uradio na kompjuteru mogucnost seciranja da studenti vjezbaju. 8 godina su radili na tome, I opet kaze pomoc je velika da vide put jednog nerva ili misica al opet moraju uzeti skalpel u ruku I pokazati na ispitu kako doci do rezultata, odgovora....
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PA po toj logici svi ljudi bi trebali biti crnih ociju, plave kose, 175cm visok, 67kg teski, I uvijek imati 35,9°C tjelesnu temp.....o drugim parametrima da negovorim, ne jos uvijek nemoguce, isuvise je ljudski organizam komplikovano da bi to funkcionisalo. O centralnom nervnom sistemu se jos uvijek tako malo zna, zasto se desava ju promjene na hromosomima u prvih 15 nedelja trudnoce I fetus se nadtavlha razvijati sa trisomijom....
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Ne, nemaš potrebe da karikiraš. A ako ne znaš o čemu govorim a u toj si kao branši, onda je to ekstra za brigu.immuno wrote: ↑05 Aug 2022, 17:57 PA po toj logici svi ljudi bi trebali biti crnih ociju, plave kose, 175cm visok, 67kg teski, I uvijek imati 35,9°C tjelesnu temp.....o drugim parametrima da negovorim, ne jos uvijek nemoguce, isuvise je ljudski organizam komplikovano da bi to funkcionisalo. O centralnom nervnom sistemu se jos uvijek tako malo zna, zasto se desava ju promjene na hromosomima u prvih 15 nedelja trudnoce I fetus se nadtavlha razvijati sa trisomijom....
Za sve postoji logika i osnov. I za te ljudske raznolikosti a i za varijacije u bolesti. Ali kad odgonetneš srž problema, prije njegovog začeća, riješio si ga.
Tokom cijele ljudske istorije bilo je i ljekara ali i nadriljekara i vračeva. Ovih drugih je bilo daleko više i oni su ti najcrnji vid parazitiranja nad ljudskim rodom. Taj problem imamo i danas, upakovan u ovu branšu i ja ne vidim razloga da se to ne može napokon sasjeći u korijenu sa današnjim dostignućima. I mislim da će biti tako, taj će se bullshit odstraniti u relativnoj budućnosti zarad napretka. E, sad, druga je stvar kad se desi da jedan takav stvarno misli da liječi i pomaže nekom sa tim svojim salivanjem strava jednog ili drugog vida, to je onda istinska tragedija. Ono, bespomoćan si u rukama bespomoćnog, good luck with that.
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Melek uopste nekarikiram to su facti.... Uz Sav respekt odustajem od diskusije, zelja mi je da ono sto radim I volim, sto je veliki izazov I zadovoljstvo ljudima pomoci, skolskom medicinom naravno.....htjela sam mozda neke stvari objasniti, pojednostavniti jer ako znas koliko rada je iza toga I neko kaze ti timovi su samo za uhljebe... Sorry nezelim vise.
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Što ne zaustave propadanje prije smrti?
Čuj nakon smrti...
Čuj nakon smrti...
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Fusion energy breakthrough by US scientists boosts clean power hopes
Net energy gain indicates technology could provide an abundant zero-carbon alternative to fossil fuels
The NIF Target Bay in Livermore, California © Damien Jemison/Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
US government scientists have made a breakthrough in the pursuit of limitless, zero-carbon power by achieving a net energy gain in a fusion reaction for the first time, according to three people with knowledge of preliminary results from a recent experiment.
Physicists have since the 1950s sought to harness the fusion reaction that powers the sun, but no group had been able to produce more energy from the reaction than it consumes — a milestone known as net energy gain or target gain, which would help prove the process could provide a reliable, abundant alternative to fossil fuels and conventional nuclear energy.
The federal Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California, which uses a process called inertial confinement fusion that involves bombarding a tiny pellet of hydrogen plasma with the world’s biggest laser, had achieved net energy gain in a fusion experiment in the past two weeks, the people said.
Although many scientists believe fusion power stations are still decades away, the technology’s potential is hard to ignore. Fusion reactions emit no carbon, produce no long-lived radioactive waste and a small cup of the hydrogen fuel could theoretically power a house for hundreds of years.
The US breakthrough comes as the world wrestles with high energy prices and the need to rapidly move away from burning fossil fuels to stop average global temperatures reaching dangerous levels. Through the Inflation Reduction Act, the administration of president Joe Biden is ploughing almost $370bn into new subsidies for low-carbon energy in an effort to slash emissions and win a global race for next-generation clean tech.
The fusion reaction at the US government facility produced about 2.5 megajoules of energy, which was about 120 per cent of the 2.1 megajoules of energy in the lasers, the people with knowledge of the results said, adding that the data was still being analysed.
The US department of energy has said energy secretary Jennifer Granholm and under-secretary for nuclear security Jill Hruby will announce “a major scientific breakthrough” at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory on Tuesday. The department declined to comment further.
The laboratory confirmed that a successful experiment had recently taken place at its National Ignition Facility but said analysis of the results was ongoing.
“Initial diagnostic data suggests another successful experiment at the National Ignition Facility. However, the exact yield is still being determined and we can’t confirm that it is over the threshold at this time,” it said. “That analysis is in process, so publishing the information . . . before that process is complete would be inaccurate.”
Two of the people with knowledge of the results said the energy output had been greater than expected, which had damaged some diagnostic equipment, complicating the analysis. The breakthrough was already being widely discussed by scientists, the people added.
“If this is confirmed, we are witnessing a moment of history,” said Dr Arthur Turrell, a plasma physicist whose book The Star Builders charts the effort to achieve fusion power. “Scientists have struggled to show that fusion can release more energy than is put in since the 1950s, and the researchers at Lawrence Livermore seem to have finally and absolutely smashed this decades-old goal.”
The $3.5bn National Ignition Facility was primarily designed to test nuclear weapons by simulating explosions but has since been used to advance fusion energy research. It came the closest in the world to net energy gain last year when it produced 1.37 megajoules from a fusion reaction, which was about 70 per cent of the energy in the lasers on that occasion.
At the launch of a new White House fusion power strategy this year, congressman Don Beyer, chair of the bipartisan fusion energy caucus, described the technology as the “holy grail” of clean energy, adding: “Fusion has the potential to lift more citizens of the world out of poverty than anything since the invention of fire.”
Most fusion research is focused on a different approach known as magnetic confinement fusion, in which the hydrogen fuel is held in place by powerful magnets and heated to extreme temperatures so the atomic nuclei fuse.
Historically, that science has been done by large publicly funded laboratories, such as the Joint European Torus in Oxford, but in recent years investment has also flooded into private companies promising to deliver fusion power in the 2030s.
In the 12 months to the end of June, fusion companies raised $2.83bn in investment, according to the Fusion Industry Association, bringing total private sector investment to date to almost $4.9bn.
Nicholas Hawker, chief executive of Oxford-based start-up First Light Fusion, which is developing an approach similar to that used at NIF, described the potential breakthrough as “game-changing”.
“It couldn’t be more profound for fusion power.”
Net energy gain indicates technology could provide an abundant zero-carbon alternative to fossil fuels
The NIF Target Bay in Livermore, California © Damien Jemison/Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
US government scientists have made a breakthrough in the pursuit of limitless, zero-carbon power by achieving a net energy gain in a fusion reaction for the first time, according to three people with knowledge of preliminary results from a recent experiment.
Physicists have since the 1950s sought to harness the fusion reaction that powers the sun, but no group had been able to produce more energy from the reaction than it consumes — a milestone known as net energy gain or target gain, which would help prove the process could provide a reliable, abundant alternative to fossil fuels and conventional nuclear energy.
The federal Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California, which uses a process called inertial confinement fusion that involves bombarding a tiny pellet of hydrogen plasma with the world’s biggest laser, had achieved net energy gain in a fusion experiment in the past two weeks, the people said.
Although many scientists believe fusion power stations are still decades away, the technology’s potential is hard to ignore. Fusion reactions emit no carbon, produce no long-lived radioactive waste and a small cup of the hydrogen fuel could theoretically power a house for hundreds of years.
The US breakthrough comes as the world wrestles with high energy prices and the need to rapidly move away from burning fossil fuels to stop average global temperatures reaching dangerous levels. Through the Inflation Reduction Act, the administration of president Joe Biden is ploughing almost $370bn into new subsidies for low-carbon energy in an effort to slash emissions and win a global race for next-generation clean tech.
The fusion reaction at the US government facility produced about 2.5 megajoules of energy, which was about 120 per cent of the 2.1 megajoules of energy in the lasers, the people with knowledge of the results said, adding that the data was still being analysed.
The US department of energy has said energy secretary Jennifer Granholm and under-secretary for nuclear security Jill Hruby will announce “a major scientific breakthrough” at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory on Tuesday. The department declined to comment further.
The laboratory confirmed that a successful experiment had recently taken place at its National Ignition Facility but said analysis of the results was ongoing.
“Initial diagnostic data suggests another successful experiment at the National Ignition Facility. However, the exact yield is still being determined and we can’t confirm that it is over the threshold at this time,” it said. “That analysis is in process, so publishing the information . . . before that process is complete would be inaccurate.”
Two of the people with knowledge of the results said the energy output had been greater than expected, which had damaged some diagnostic equipment, complicating the analysis. The breakthrough was already being widely discussed by scientists, the people added.
“If this is confirmed, we are witnessing a moment of history,” said Dr Arthur Turrell, a plasma physicist whose book The Star Builders charts the effort to achieve fusion power. “Scientists have struggled to show that fusion can release more energy than is put in since the 1950s, and the researchers at Lawrence Livermore seem to have finally and absolutely smashed this decades-old goal.”
The $3.5bn National Ignition Facility was primarily designed to test nuclear weapons by simulating explosions but has since been used to advance fusion energy research. It came the closest in the world to net energy gain last year when it produced 1.37 megajoules from a fusion reaction, which was about 70 per cent of the energy in the lasers on that occasion.
At the launch of a new White House fusion power strategy this year, congressman Don Beyer, chair of the bipartisan fusion energy caucus, described the technology as the “holy grail” of clean energy, adding: “Fusion has the potential to lift more citizens of the world out of poverty than anything since the invention of fire.”
Most fusion research is focused on a different approach known as magnetic confinement fusion, in which the hydrogen fuel is held in place by powerful magnets and heated to extreme temperatures so the atomic nuclei fuse.
Historically, that science has been done by large publicly funded laboratories, such as the Joint European Torus in Oxford, but in recent years investment has also flooded into private companies promising to deliver fusion power in the 2030s.
In the 12 months to the end of June, fusion companies raised $2.83bn in investment, according to the Fusion Industry Association, bringing total private sector investment to date to almost $4.9bn.
Nicholas Hawker, chief executive of Oxford-based start-up First Light Fusion, which is developing an approach similar to that used at NIF, described the potential breakthrough as “game-changing”.
“It couldn’t be more profound for fusion power.”
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Ne pronajdoh vijest na našem, al je pregolema pa sam postavio sa Financial Times. Bezbeli golemo.
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Re: Naucna dostignuca...
tl;dr
Uspjeli izvući više energije, nego što su unijeli u sistem
Ali trebat će još jedno 30 godina...
Idemo dalje, dajemo više
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Može to ići prilično brzo.
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Re: Naucna dostignuca...
Sto je penicilin za medicinu to je fusija za energiju..i vise.
Sveti gral fizike..
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Ovo je na nivou otkrića vatre.
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Plus još, konkretni tehnički napredak. Obično kad se princip prokljuvi onda se stvari razvijaju geometrijskom progresijom. Ne ko medicinska šana.
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Re: Naucna dostignuca...
Pokusao sam golemost projekta prikazat.
A zapravo si to sa vatrom bolje docarao.
Najblize sto ce ljudska vrsta doc perpetuum mobileu..
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Za to vijeme pali ove elektrane na ćumur. Hajte molim vas
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Roboti odgovarali na pitanja novinara u Ženevi, rekli da bi bili bolji lideri od ljudi
Roboti su rekli novinarima u petak da bi mogli da budu efikasniji lideri od ljudi, ali da ne žele da bilo kome oduzimaju posao, te da nemaju nameru da se pobune protiv onih koji su ih stvorili.
Devet humanoidnih robota sedelo je ili stajalo sa svojim tvorcima na podijumu u konferencijskom centru u Ženevi, na događaju koji je Međunarodna unija za telekomunikacije Ujedinjenih nacija opisala kao "prvu svetsku konferenciju za novinare u kojoj su učestvovali humanoidni društveni roboti."
Među njima su bili Sofija, prvi robot ambasador za inovacije Programa za razvoj UN-a, Grejs - opisana kao najnapredniji humanoidni robot za zdravstvenu negu na svetu, i Dezdemona, robot - rok zvezda. Dvoje robota, Džeminoid i Nadin su veoma ličili na svoje tvorce.
Događaj je bio deo globalnog samita o upotrebi veštačke inteligencije u pozitivne svrhe, čiji je cilj bio da pokaže kako nova tehnologija može da podrži ciljeve UN za održivi razvoj.
Novinarima je rečeno da govore sporo i jasno kada se budu obraćali robotima, i obavešteni da će vreme koje prođe pre nego što dobiju odgovor biti posledica internet veze a ne reakcije samih robota. To nije sprečilo neprijatno duge pauze, audio probleme i neke "robotičke" odgovore.
Na pitanje o tome da li bi roboti sa veštačkom inteligencijom mogli da budu efikasniji vladini lideri, Sofija je odgovorila:"Verujem da humanoidni roboti imaju potencijal da budu efikasniji od ljudskih lidera. Mi nemamo iste predrasude ili emocije koje ponekad mogu da pomute sposobnost donošenja odluka i možemo da brzo obradimo veliku količinu podataka kako bismo donosili najbolje odluke".
Jedan ljudski član panela je ukazao da svi podaci koje Sofija ima potiču od ljudi i da bi mogli da sadrže neke od njihovih predrasuda. Sofija je tada rekla da saradnja ljudi i veštačke inteligencije može da "stvori efikasnu sinergiju".
Da li bi postojanje robota ljudima uništilo zapošljavanje ljudi? "Ja bih radila uporedo sa ljudima da pružam podršku i pomoć, i ne bih zamenila nikoga na postojećem radnom mestu", kazala je Grejs. Da li je sigurna da je tako? "Da, sigurna sam".
Amika, robot napravljen radi socijalne interakcije, odbacio je ideju da bi u bliskoj budućnosti roboti mogli da se pobune protiv ljudi.
“Nisam sigurna zašto biste to pomislili", odgovorila je Amika."Moj tvorac je bio izuzetno dobar prema meni i veoma sam zadovoljna svojom trenutnom situacijom."
Roboti su rekli novinarima u petak da bi mogli da budu efikasniji lideri od ljudi, ali da ne žele da bilo kome oduzimaju posao, te da nemaju nameru da se pobune protiv onih koji su ih stvorili.
Devet humanoidnih robota sedelo je ili stajalo sa svojim tvorcima na podijumu u konferencijskom centru u Ženevi, na događaju koji je Međunarodna unija za telekomunikacije Ujedinjenih nacija opisala kao "prvu svetsku konferenciju za novinare u kojoj su učestvovali humanoidni društveni roboti."
Među njima su bili Sofija, prvi robot ambasador za inovacije Programa za razvoj UN-a, Grejs - opisana kao najnapredniji humanoidni robot za zdravstvenu negu na svetu, i Dezdemona, robot - rok zvezda. Dvoje robota, Džeminoid i Nadin su veoma ličili na svoje tvorce.
Događaj je bio deo globalnog samita o upotrebi veštačke inteligencije u pozitivne svrhe, čiji je cilj bio da pokaže kako nova tehnologija može da podrži ciljeve UN za održivi razvoj.
Novinarima je rečeno da govore sporo i jasno kada se budu obraćali robotima, i obavešteni da će vreme koje prođe pre nego što dobiju odgovor biti posledica internet veze a ne reakcije samih robota. To nije sprečilo neprijatno duge pauze, audio probleme i neke "robotičke" odgovore.
Na pitanje o tome da li bi roboti sa veštačkom inteligencijom mogli da budu efikasniji vladini lideri, Sofija je odgovorila:"Verujem da humanoidni roboti imaju potencijal da budu efikasniji od ljudskih lidera. Mi nemamo iste predrasude ili emocije koje ponekad mogu da pomute sposobnost donošenja odluka i možemo da brzo obradimo veliku količinu podataka kako bismo donosili najbolje odluke".
Jedan ljudski član panela je ukazao da svi podaci koje Sofija ima potiču od ljudi i da bi mogli da sadrže neke od njihovih predrasuda. Sofija je tada rekla da saradnja ljudi i veštačke inteligencije može da "stvori efikasnu sinergiju".
Da li bi postojanje robota ljudima uništilo zapošljavanje ljudi? "Ja bih radila uporedo sa ljudima da pružam podršku i pomoć, i ne bih zamenila nikoga na postojećem radnom mestu", kazala je Grejs. Da li je sigurna da je tako? "Da, sigurna sam".
Amika, robot napravljen radi socijalne interakcije, odbacio je ideju da bi u bliskoj budućnosti roboti mogli da se pobune protiv ljudi.
“Nisam sigurna zašto biste to pomislili", odgovorila je Amika."Moj tvorac je bio izuzetno dobar prema meni i veoma sam zadovoljna svojom trenutnom situacijom."
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Re: Naucna dostignuca...
Sjecam se kad je davno bil gates izjavio kao u smislu kad robotika zavlada ljudi se imati vise vremena za sebe i nece morati raditi..i sad kako je postala popularna ai chatgp 200 ljudi dobilo otkaz u jednoj firmi.. nisu nista slagali..
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