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Re: Korona virus

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storm wrote: 17 Mar 2020, 08:07
Snowie wrote: 17 Mar 2020, 08:05 There’s no scientific evidence I am aware of that ibuprofen causes worst outcomes in #COVID19.

To je zadnja boldana recenica. Sta tu nije jasno?
Meni jest... Pitaj donositelja navedenog :oo
Pa kaze da nema dokaza da ne treba koristiti ibuprofen.
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Re: Korona virus

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Snowie wrote: 17 Mar 2020, 08:08
storm wrote: 17 Mar 2020, 08:07

Meni jest... Pitaj donositelja navedenog :oo
Pa kaze da nema dokaza da ne treba koristiti ibuprofen.
Pričamo o iskustvima struke u Europi...
A čvrste dokaze nema nitko...
Habibti, ya nour el - ain... :srce
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Re: Korona virus

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storm wrote: 17 Mar 2020, 08:00
rocko wrote: 17 Mar 2020, 07:56

To svo vrijeme govorim nema on nikakvih zvanicnih podataka da potkrijepi svoju tvrdnju a najveci je problem kad neko ko se smatra autoritetom ko francuski ministar zdravlja siri dezinformacije.
Zadnja, boldana rečenica, bode u oči.

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Ako me zadesi, vjerovati ću doktorima,, a ne opterećivati se random izjavama na forumu, FB, i xy izvorima... Sve najbolje :)
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Jučer su 4 osobe testirale vakcinu. Za mjesec dana će znati je li efikasna.
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Re: Korona virus

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storm wrote: 17 Mar 2020, 08:11
Snowie wrote: 17 Mar 2020, 08:08

Pa kaze da nema dokaza da ne treba koristiti ibuprofen.
Pričamo o iskustvima struke u Europi...
A čvrste dokaze nema nitko...
Ma ok nego meni samo bilo cudno sto si dio recenice boldao a ne citavu.
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Re: Korona virus

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HAVANA wrote: 17 Mar 2020, 07:10
Merlin246 wrote: 16 Mar 2020, 23:04

Kakva kafa nema kafe u doba Korona virusa. Nema ni seksa ni frizure ni nista. Sta vam je ljudi, ponasajte se :kafa
Dje to pise, sto nema seksa? :lud
Ne sikiraj se, to sam ja izmislila 💁‍♀️ :D.
Mozete se seksati al s osobama koje nemaju Koronu :D.
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Re: Preporuke građanima za prevenciju korona virusa i HITNI BROJEVI

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greeneyes wrote: 16 Mar 2020, 22:59 Ja cu se samo brufenima lupati. Ne idem u bolnicu nema sanse. Sta cu dole kad nema interneta
Nije valjda da te uhvatilo? :kuku
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Re: Korona virus

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Snowie wrote: 17 Mar 2020, 08:05 There’s no scientific evidence I am aware of that ibuprofen causes worst outcomes in #COVID19.

To je zadnja boldana recenica. Sta tu nije jasno?
Deeply concerned about this bold statement by the French MoH with no reference to the claim, which is causing public concern. There’s no scientific evidence I am aware of that ibuprofen cause worst outcomes in #COVID19. pic.twitter.com/gpCGpF4N0D

— dr muge cevik (@mugecevik) March 14, 2020

To ti se zove dezinformacija, jasno je njemu
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Re: Korona virus

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Eto...
This announcement was made on the same day as an official announcement from the French government, which reported that non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAID), such as ibuprofen, could result in "grave adverse effects" in those suffering from COVID-19.
Some researchers have cast doubt on this information. One such expert, University of St Andrews Infection and Global Health Division researcher Muge Cevik, wrote over Twitter that "There's no scientific evidence I am aware of that ibuprofen [causes worse] outcomes in #COVID19."
However, other experts argue that drugs like ibuprofen should be avoided, even if the connection isn't fully understood. One such expert – Rupert Beale, group leader in Cell Biology of Infection at the UK's Francis Crick Institute – said that "There is a good reason to avoid ibuprofen as it may exacerbate acute kidney injury brought on by any severe illness, including severe COVID-19 disease," CNN reported.
This is also supported by Prof. Charlotte Warren-Gash, of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.
"Most deaths from COVID-19 have been among older people and those with underlying health conditions such as cardiovascular disease. We already know that NSAIDs should be prescribed with caution for people who have underlying health conditions," she told CNN.






"For COVID-19, research is needed into the effects of specific NSAIDs among people with different underlying health conditions, which takes into account the severity of infection."
In the UK, ibuprofen prescriptions to those with underlying conditions are recommended in the lowest possible dosage and for the shortest possible duration. The reason for this is because of the chance of adverse side effects, such as those in the kidneys and cardiovascular system.
France is even more severe, as their strict regulations on painkillers have caused ibuprofen to be moved behind the counter, rather than being available over the counter.
With Veran's message going viral, especially in France, many are wondering which over-the-counter medication should be used to treat coronavirus symptoms if NSAID drugs are out of the question.
In this respect, almost all experts agree on the preferred drug of choice: Paracetamol, a widely available medication used to treat pain and fever, which is also known as Panadol and Tylenol, and is known in Israel as Acamol.
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Re: Korona virus

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Onaj jaran u berlinu sto su mu prije 2, 3 dana skinuli platu 20%.Jutros 50%27 otpusteno. Onaj drugi s restoranom sto za desetak dana bi u minusu 8000 eura, 25 zaposlenih. Zatvara u cetvrtak. Gotovo. Privatnici svi na glavu. Belgija isto. Ovo i kad stane i ako stane, za mnoge ce godine trebati da se povrate. Svi sa vlastitim manjim obrtima, zbogom.
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Re: Korona virus

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Snowie wrote: 17 Mar 2020, 08:13
storm wrote: 17 Mar 2020, 08:11

Pričamo o iskustvima struke u Europi...
A čvrste dokaze nema nitko...
Ma ok nego meni samo bilo cudno sto si dio recenice boldao a ne citavu.
Nije to, nisam na mobu čitavu zakačio...
point je da nema ni znanstvenih dokaza da brufen koristi nešto bolje u odnosu na paracetamol, a ima da šteti speifičnoj grupi pacijenata, koliko sam shvatio.
A ta grupa sa kardiovaskularnim bolestima je najugroženija, pa ne razumijem, zašto ignorirati nuspojave, koje mogu rezultirati lošim stanjem pacijenta....spominju i probleme sa bubrezima itd.
ili ga rokaj brufenima, dok ne crkne.
Habibti, ya nour el - ain... :srce
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Re: Korona virus

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storm wrote: 17 Mar 2020, 08:34 Eto...
This announcement was made on the same day as an official announcement from the French government, which reported that non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAID), such as ibuprofen, could result in "grave adverse effects" in those suffering from COVID-19.
Some researchers have cast doubt on this information. One such expert, University of St Andrews Infection and Global Health Division researcher Muge Cevik, wrote over Twitter that "There's no scientific evidence I am aware of that ibuprofen [causes worse] outcomes in #COVID19."
However, other experts argue that drugs like ibuprofen should be avoided, even if the connection isn't fully understood. One such expert – Rupert Beale, group leader in Cell Biology of Infection at the UK's Francis Crick Institute – said that "There is a good reason to avoid ibuprofen as it may exacerbate acute kidney injury brought on by any severe illness, including severe COVID-19 disease," CNN reported.
This is also supported by Prof. Charlotte Warren-Gash, of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.
"Most deaths from COVID-19 have been among older people and those with underlying health conditions such as cardiovascular disease. We already know that NSAIDs should be prescribed with caution for people who have underlying health conditions," she told CNN.






"For COVID-19, research is needed into the effects of specific NSAIDs among people with different underlying health conditions, which takes into account the severity of infection."
In the UK, ibuprofen prescriptions to those with underlying conditions are recommended in the lowest possible dosage and for the shortest possible duration. The reason for this is because of the chance of adverse side effects, such as those in the kidneys and cardiovascular system.
France is even more severe, as their strict regulations on painkillers have caused ibuprofen to be moved behind the counter, rather than being available over the counter.
With Veran's message going viral, especially in France, many are wondering which over-the-counter medication should be used to treat coronavirus symptoms if NSAID drugs are out of the question.
In this respect, almost all experts agree on the preferred drug of choice: Paracetamol, a widely available medication used to treat pain and fever, which is also known as Panadol and Tylenol, and is known in Israel as Acamol.
Eto upravo sve sto sam ti ja vec rekao, ako pricamo o starijim osobama, Francuska klasifikacija lijekova, moze izazvat ostecenja bubrega , jetre i sl.a to vazi za 99% lijekova ako uzmes previse , a u stvarnosti vecina lijekova koja je napravljena u zadnjih 20 godina mi nemamo pojma sta su dugorcne komplikacje jer nije proslo dovoljno vremena tako da se fokusiramo da danas otklonimo problem a sta ce biti za 20 godina otom po tom.
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Re: Korona virus

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storm wrote: 17 Mar 2020, 08:41
Snowie wrote: 17 Mar 2020, 08:13

Ma ok nego meni samo bilo cudno sto si dio recenice boldao a ne citavu.
Nije to, nisam na mobu čitavu zakačio...
point je da nema ni znanstvenih dokaza da brufen koristi nešto bolje u odnosu na paracetamol, a ima da šteti speifičnoj grupi pacijenata, koliko sam shvatio.
A ta grupa sa kardiovaskularnim bolestima je najugroženija, pa ne razumijem, zašto ignorirati nuspojave, koje mogu rezultirati lošim stanjem pacijenta....spominju i probleme sa bubrezima itd.
ili ga rokaj brufenima, dok ne crkne.
Zato jer je veca steta ako roditelj koji nije u stanju procitiat upustva na lijeku a takvih je 87% stanovnistva prema istrazivanju, da djetetu sa viralnom infekcijom aspirin umjesto ibuprofena i napravi ga bogaljem za citav zivot. ako se generalno zdrava mladja osoba razboli nema razloga da izbjegava ibuprofen.
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Re: Korona virus

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rocko wrote: 17 Mar 2020, 08:47
storm wrote: 17 Mar 2020, 08:41

Nije to, nisam na mobu čitavu zakačio...
point je da nema ni znanstvenih dokaza da brufen koristi nešto bolje u odnosu na paracetamol, a ima da šteti speifičnoj grupi pacijenata, koliko sam shvatio.
A ta grupa sa kardiovaskularnim bolestima je najugroženija, pa ne razumijem, zašto ignorirati nuspojave, koje mogu rezultirati lošim stanjem pacijenta....spominju i probleme sa bubrezima itd.
ili ga rokaj brufenima, dok ne crkne.
Zato jer je veca steta ako roditelj koji nije u stanju procitiat upustva na lijeku a takvih je 87% stanovnistva prema istrazivanju, da djetetu sa viralnom infekcijom aspirin umjesto ibuprofena i napravi ga bogaljem za citav zivot. ako se generalno zdrava mladja osoba razboli nema razloga da izbjegava ibuprofen.
Tu smo zapeli u konverzaciji...
Tretiranje nominalno zdravih, te kroničnih bolesnika...
Zato mislim, da je okej, da je ibubrufen tek na recept dostupan, jer analogijom, kako opisuješ, da će roditelj dati aspirin djetetu, tako će i stariji, kronični bolesnici, uzeti ibubrufen i zakomplicirati stanje. Uzmeš šta je pri ruci u tegobi.
Stoga... Procjena doktora, koji poznaje stanje pacijenta, ništa više, ništa manje...
Habibti, ya nour el - ain... :srce
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Re: Preporuke građanima za prevenciju korona virusa i HITNI BROJEVI

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Merlin246 wrote: 17 Mar 2020, 08:17
greeneyes wrote: 16 Mar 2020, 22:59 Ja cu se samo brufenima lupati. Ne idem u bolnicu nema sanse. Sta cu dole kad nema interneta
Nije valjda da te uhvatilo? :kuku
Aham. Zato trazim dje cu kafu popiti da sto vise ljudi zarazim :zao
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Re: Korona virus

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storm wrote: 17 Mar 2020, 08:54
rocko wrote: 17 Mar 2020, 08:47

Zato jer je veca steta ako roditelj koji nije u stanju procitiat upustva na lijeku a takvih je 87% stanovnistva prema istrazivanju, da djetetu sa viralnom infekcijom aspirin umjesto ibuprofena i napravi ga bogaljem za citav zivot. ako se generalno zdrava mladja osoba razboli nema razloga da izbjegava ibuprofen.
Tu smo zapeli u konverzaciji...
Tretiranje nominalno zdravih, te kroničnih bolesnika...
Zato mislim, da je okej, da je ibubrufen tek na recept dostupan, jer analogijom, kako opisuješ, da će roditelj dati aspirin djetetu, tako će i stariji, kronični bolesnici, uzeti ibubrufen i zakomplicirati stanje. Uzmeš šta je pri ruci u tegobi.
Stoga... Procjena doktora, koji poznaje stanje pacijenta, ništa više, ništa manje...
Problem je sto je francuz odlucio da zakuka na ibuprofen mjesto da je reko nije za starije i gotova prica. A u vecin mjesta se ibuprufen prodaj bez recepta, ko kod nas u Bosni apaurin a hajde ga podigni bez recepta u Americi.
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Re: Korona virus

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rocko wrote: 17 Mar 2020, 08:56
storm wrote: 17 Mar 2020, 08:54

Tu smo zapeli u konverzaciji...
Tretiranje nominalno zdravih, te kroničnih bolesnika...
Zato mislim, da je okej, da je ibubrufen tek na recept dostupan, jer analogijom, kako opisuješ, da će roditelj dati aspirin djetetu, tako će i stariji, kronični bolesnici, uzeti ibubrufen i zakomplicirati stanje. Uzmeš šta je pri ruci u tegobi.
Stoga... Procjena doktora, koji poznaje stanje pacijenta, ništa više, ništa manje...
Problem je sto je francuz odlucio da zakuka na ibuprofen mjesto da je reko nije za starije i gotova prica. A u vecin mjesta se ibuprufen prodaj bez recepta, ko kod nas u Bosni apaurin a hajde ga podigni bez recepta u Americi.
U sloveniji je na recept isključivo.
Poznati caffetin recimo, izbačen iz prodaje.
Habibti, ya nour el - ain... :srce
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Merlin246 wrote: 17 Mar 2020, 08:16
HAVANA wrote: 17 Mar 2020, 07:10

Dje to pise, sto nema seksa? :lud
Ne sikiraj se, to sam ja izmislila 💁‍♀️ :D.
Mozete se seksati al s osobama koje nemaju Koronu :D.
Ma jel bogati? Seksaću se s kim god hoću. :mrgud
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Prim.dr. Evresa Okanović, aktualna direktorica Doma zdravlja Velika Kladuša, upravo se obratila građanima putem lokalnog radija,
apelujući na ozbiljnije ponašanje građanja, preventive radi da se držimo upustava zaštite i dezinfekcije, te da izbjegavamo okupljanja, svesti kontakte na minimum itd.
20. osoba je bilo pod nadzorom, od toga 5 negativno, 15 je u kućnoj izolaciji, jutros se pojavila ženska osoba sa simptomima ( a došla je iz Slo),
ali prvo treba testirati da se vidi o kakvoj virozi je riječ. Svi koji uđu u BiH idu u izolaciju, ali od juče ujutro u 6 h ni nema nekih prelazaka.
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