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Re: IZRAEL: 30 muškaraca silovalo 16-godišnju djevojčicu u hotelu
Ja polazim od pretpostavke da hajvan mora biti pozamasan psihopata da takvo nesto napravi. Samo me frapira cinjenica da se tu nadje cak trideset (30) hajvana sa istim "predispozicijama" koji stoje u redu i cekaju, hej, cekaju na red! Pa koliko i koliko tu psiholoski izopacenih elemenata mora da se slozi da bi bas svi istu stvar pocinili. I ne samo to - pa sama cinjenica (ako izuzmemo silovanje i skoncentrisemo se na sam taj seksualni akt) da imas seks sa nekom osobom neposredno nakon sto je ista imala seks sa drugom (muskom) osobom, moras ili biti dobro perverzan, ili biseksualan pa da ti ne smetaju muski sekreti nekog drugog.
Razumijem do nekle porno filmove i te scene gdje hejbet partnera ima seks sa jednom porno glumicom, tu su svi mentalno spremni, "probrani" i na istim notama, ali ovako nesto, wtf. Onda sto se tice zaraznih bolesti. Zar bas ni jedan od tih trideset na to nije pomislio? To mora da je bio zestok dogovor jako organizovane grupe ludjaka koji su svjesno isli da to rade, jako dobro poznaju jedni druge i sigurni su da su svi zdravi (AIDS i to). Nepojmljivo i misticno do kraja.
Da li se desila situacija u kojoj su svi oni u stvari bili ubijedjeni da je ta cura bila na istim notama i da je ona to htjela?!?
Ovdje nista nije crno-bijelo ali tukne do kraja.
Razumijem do nekle porno filmove i te scene gdje hejbet partnera ima seks sa jednom porno glumicom, tu su svi mentalno spremni, "probrani" i na istim notama, ali ovako nesto, wtf. Onda sto se tice zaraznih bolesti. Zar bas ni jedan od tih trideset na to nije pomislio? To mora da je bio zestok dogovor jako organizovane grupe ludjaka koji su svjesno isli da to rade, jako dobro poznaju jedni druge i sigurni su da su svi zdravi (AIDS i to). Nepojmljivo i misticno do kraja.
Da li se desila situacija u kojoj su svi oni u stvari bili ubijedjeni da je ta cura bila na istim notama i da je ona to htjela?!?
Ovdje nista nije crno-bijelo ali tukne do kraja.
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Re: IZRAEL: 30 muškaraca silovalo 16-godišnju djevojčicu u hotelu
Inace bas lako ocijenim covjeka sa kojim se zapijem... Tezak postane tezi, laki postane laksi... Ludjak postane ludji...
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Re: IZRAEL: 30 muškaraca silovalo 16-godišnju djevojčicu u hotelu
I ta je tacna.Čarobni wrote: 23 Aug 2020, 21:22Ovo je samo pretpostavka i ne mora da stoji.jelena... wrote: 23 Aug 2020, 20:57 Normalan muškarac i kad je mortus pijan da mu neko spomene grupno silovanje otrijeznio bi se istog momenta!
Itd, itd...naklapati možemo do besvijesti, ali sve to nije u ravni ovoga što stoji u naslovu teme.
Neko se nikad u životu ne raznese alkoholom, a možda je u njemu čuč'o neki đavo koji bi se odriješio ogromnim količinama alkohola.
Da bi znao koliko je neko normalan i da li je uopste normalan treba ga staviti u raznorazne situacije pa vidjeti kako se ponasa.
Sve ostalo je supljiranje.
A u ovom konkretnom slucaju, mozemo samo nagadjati dok u javnost ne izadju neki konkretni podaci.
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Re: IZRAEL: 30 muškaraca silovalo 16-godišnju djevojčicu u hotelu
26 stranica, ne cito ih ja sve, ali evo izjave vlasnika hotela, npr:
Meanwhile, the owner of the Red Sea Hotel in Eilat, Pnina Maman, where the girl was attacked, still insists that the incident
of the girl’s rape did not occur at his hotel. Maman said he had submitted surveillance footage to police proving the sexual
assault could not have occurred as reported.
“There is no evidence that this happened here,” Maman, owner of the Red Sea Hotel, told N12, according to the report.
“If something happens with 30 people, we will be aware of it and we will not let it happen,” Maman said.
He added, “There were never 30 people in the hallway. We checked all cameras. There were no meetings (that many). “
Maman complained about “embarrassing” the hotel. “We don’t know what happened in the room,” he said.
Meanwhile, the owner of the Red Sea Hotel in Eilat, Pnina Maman, where the girl was attacked, still insists that the incident
of the girl’s rape did not occur at his hotel. Maman said he had submitted surveillance footage to police proving the sexual
assault could not have occurred as reported.
“There is no evidence that this happened here,” Maman, owner of the Red Sea Hotel, told N12, according to the report.
“If something happens with 30 people, we will be aware of it and we will not let it happen,” Maman said.
He added, “There were never 30 people in the hallway. We checked all cameras. There were no meetings (that many). “
Maman complained about “embarrassing” the hotel. “We don’t know what happened in the room,” he said.
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Re: IZRAEL: 30 muškaraca silovalo 16-godišnju djevojčicu u hotelu
Tukne i to. Naravno da će reći da nije, jer mu niko neće htjeti doći u hotel. Propade biznis.
People struggle with accepting reality primarily because it can be painful, anxiety-inducing, and may challenge their deeply held beliefs, comfort zones, or sense of self. This resistance is a natural psychological response, but it can hinder personal growth and problem-solving. Ultimately, while rejecting reality can offer temporary relief, accepting things as they are is crucial for processing emotions, personal growth, and making effective, realistic choices to move forward.
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Re: IZRAEL: 30 muškaraca silovalo 16-godišnju djevojčicu u hotelu
Vidjecemo. Sam vrh drzave se zainteresovo. Formirano je posebno policijsko odjeljenje
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Pa lijepo pise da je prilozio video zapise sa svih kamera policiji. Nije samo suplja prica vec i videoMarlboroGold wrote: 23 Aug 2020, 21:55 Tukne i to. Naravno da će reći da nije, jer mu niko neće htjeti doći u hotel. Propade biznis.
zapisi prema kojima (kao on tvrdi) nije nikad bilo 30 ljudi u tom hodniku. Sta je bilo i sta se desilo je jos uvijek misterija.
Barem, ako je vjerovati svim tim izjavama. Tako da sva ova naprdjivanja oko svega ovoga postaju pomalo morbidniji
i od same ove vijesti. Da se svi mi ipak primirimo malo dok sve cinjenice ne isplivaju na povrsinu? Bez da tu i tamo kupimo
kojekakve forumske poene i to bas na ovome.
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Re: IZRAEL: 30 muškaraca silovalo 16-godišnju djevojčicu u hotelu
Pa čak da se ispostavi da se to uopšte nije dogodilo nećemo se praviti da se ovo stvarno ne dešava u svijetu... a dešava se itekako.
Neka ljudi razmijene stavove.
Neka ljudi razmijene stavove.
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A ko tvrdi i ko se to pravi da se takve stvari ne desavaju u svijetu? Opet ponavljam, prestanimo sa naprdjivanjem, nije pristojno u veziMarlboroGold wrote: 23 Aug 2020, 22:04 Pa čak da se ispostavi da se to uopšte nije dogodilo nećemo se praviti da se ovo stvarno ne dešava u svijetu... a dešava se itekako.
Neka ljudi razmijene stavove.
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Re: IZRAEL: 30 muškaraca silovalo 16-godišnju djevojčicu u hotelu
Pa sta tu imas zauzimati neki stav?MarlboroGold wrote: 23 Aug 2020, 22:04 Pa čak da se ispostavi da se to uopšte nije dogodilo nećemo se praviti da se ovo stvarno ne dešava u svijetu... a dešava se itekako.
Neka ljudi razmijene stavove.
Kad je u pitanju silovanje, sta sem osude mores rec o tome?
Drugo je sad sto su neke iskoristile ovu vijest da naprdjuju kako na svakom koraku musko gleda samo kako ce nekoga silovati.
I onda se doslo do nekih nebuloznih globalnih pandemija silovanja, i sistematskog kontrolisanja zena kroz cin silovanja.
Od sad kad je u pm posasljem sto mi cupa zivce, rece, eno ga, siluje me.
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Re: IZRAEL: 30 muškaraca silovalo 16-godišnju djevojčicu u hotelu
Pa ne znam ko je i očekivao da je 30 muškaraca formiralo red ispred sobe ili u lobiju čekalo?
Ako su radili nešto ovakvo, očekivano je da su se skrivali.
Ako su radili nešto ovakvo, očekivano je da su se skrivali.
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Re: IZRAEL: 30 muškaraca silovalo 16-godišnju djevojčicu u hotelu
Pa bukvalno su tako prenijeli vijestSocrates wrote: 23 Aug 2020, 22:14 Pa ne znam ko je i očekivao da je 30 muškaraca formiralo red ispred sobe ili u lobiju čekalo?
Ako su radili nešto ovakvo, očekivano je da su se skrivali.
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Re: IZRAEL: 30 muškaraca silovalo 16-godišnju djevojčicu u hotelu
Pa to je do glupavog novinara, vjerovatno.
Jedino ako su bili jedini gosti u hotelu, i još plus osoblje hotela saradjivalo.
Jedino ako su bili jedini gosti u hotelu, i još plus osoblje hotela saradjivalo.
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Uhapsili su još sedam.
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Uhapsili su i menadžera hotela. 
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Re: IZRAEL: 30 muškaraca silovalo 16-godišnju djevojčicu u hotelu
Izjava jednog gosta je da su se ljudi okupljali u blizini njegove sobe i u lobiju, da je išao da se žali i da niko nije reagirao.
Osoblje je sigurno uključeno, na osnovu te izjave, ili su toliko idiotski glupavi da čak i ako nisu uključeni trebaju robijati po 30 godina.
Osoblje je sigurno uključeno, na osnovu te izjave, ili su toliko idiotski glupavi da čak i ako nisu uključeni trebaju robijati po 30 godina.
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Re: IZRAEL: 30 muškaraca silovalo 16-godišnju djevojčicu u hotelu
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The number of suspects being detained in suspicion of involvement in the alleged incident now stands on 11.
Police arrested on Saturday two more suspects, both 17 years old, in the investigation into the rape of a 16-year-old while she was vacationing in Eilat, bringing the number of those who have been detained to four.
The victim is expected to confront the suspects on Sunday in court, according to N12. After continued investigations, police believe that the number of suspects is in the double digits and plan on making additional arrests very soon.
Among those who were involved, police believe that some took part in the brutal act while others filmed.
The victim was vacationing with a friend in Eilat and had become inebriated when she was allegedly gang-raped by a group of men. Although the original suspected number of men stood at 30, that number has slowly progressed downwards.
Two other suspects who had been arrested last week were in their 20s.
In addition, a 19-year-old girl from central Israel was taken to be interrogated on Friday after she wrote in a WhatsApp group to anyone who has footage of the violent incident, “Don’t skimp, share.” This was after a different member of that same chat asked if anyone has the footage.
Her interrogation was on the basis of Israel Police’s suspicion that she was “soliciting abominable materials for publication” or attempting to get a hold of photos and videos of the vicious affair so as to share it online. She was released by police under restrictive conditions shortly afterwards when she claimed that she did so without thinking or having any particular intention in mind.
“I felt that she did not know what was happening around her,” said the friend of the victim to the police on Friday, according to N12. “I saw a crowd of a lot of people in the area of the room.”
Meanwhile, the victim is in an unstable mental condition and has been secured by police personnel around her home after her personal details began to spread on social media. This was out of concern for her well-being, as suspects and their families may be able to find and threaten her.
Her friend gave testimony on Friday which police, according to Israel media, finds credible and may lead to additional arrests by the special investigative team working out of the Lachish Center, along with evidence of other men standing outside the girl’s hotel room in security footage.
In the meantime, police are working through the security footage from the hotel, which, when last contacted by the media, claimed that there is no evidence that the incident occurred there, and that if it had, the management on location “would have noticed.”
The hotel did not respond to the police’s claim that the footage from the security cameras proves without a doubt that the incident did occur in the hotel.
The Red Sea Hotel did not respond to The Jerusalem Post’s request for comment at this time.
The police is currently in possession of the full identification information of several other young men documented as having been near the scene of the crime, according to the Police Spokesperson’s Unit.
The Women’s March protests, which have risen once more into the public sphere as a result of the brutal crime, plan to join the protests which are mostly directed towards crying out against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s handling of the coronavirus crisis, as well as holding several independent protests around the country to identify with the victim.
“This is not something that is done in a contained manner,” the Women’s March in Israel spokesperson told the Post. “When we are fighting against government protocol, it is important to add women’s issues into the discussion.”
Following such occurrences like the one in Eilat, “we hear condemnations in the government all the time. There is a culture which was built that allows for these things to happen. We are acting, we are not just condemning.
“We want significant change in the education system, in the judiciary system,” the Women’s March told the Post. “All of the management of these situations creates norms that allow for this to happen. That is why this protest is very political. It is very important to us to support the young girl, especially when we hear that her name has been shared and there are attacks towards her on social media.”
On Sunday at 12, some of Israel’s largest companies, including IAI and Meitav Dash, will be holding strikes to mark their identification with the 16-year-old victim.
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Re: IZRAEL: 30 muškaraca silovalo 16-godišnju djevojčicu u hotelu
Pa vi ste ga među prvima zauzeli govoreći za oskudno odijevanje... možda ne ti konkretno. Kasnije dokazano statističkim podacima da su slučajevi silovanja skoro pa nepromjenjeni tamo gdje žene nisu oskudno odjevene zbog tradicije itd.Fuddo wrote: 23 Aug 2020, 22:13Pa sta tu imas zauzimati neki stav?MarlboroGold wrote: 23 Aug 2020, 22:04 Pa čak da se ispostavi da se to uopšte nije dogodilo nećemo se praviti da se ovo stvarno ne dešava u svijetu... a dešava se itekako.
Neka ljudi razmijene stavove.
Kad je u pitanju silovanje, sta sem osude mores rec o tome?
Drugo je sad sto su neke iskoristile ovu vijest da naprdjuju kako na svakom koraku musko gleda samo kako ce nekoga silovati.
I onda se doslo do nekih nebuloznih globalnih pandemija silovanja, i sistematskog kontrolisanja zena kroz cin silovanja.
Od sad kad je u pm posasljem sto mi cupa zivce, rece, eno ga, siluje me.
S pravom "naprđuju" jer to jeste kontrola i dominacija nad ženama po svim mogućim parametrima. To nisu feminističke floskule. Nema muškarca na planeti zemlji koji to radi samo zbog nagona, odnosno biologije, jer nismo životinje. Imaš stotine, pa i hiljade studija koje o tome govore. Žena kad kaže ne ili nemoj takvi bolesnici postanu ljuti na ženu što to govori (što je apsolutno suprotno civilizacijskim vrijednostima), a ne pitaju sebe da li je ono što žele uraditi pogrešno, a onda to i učine. Šta misliš zašto? Eto probaj sam odgovoriti da ti ne moram i ovo objašnjavati.
Čak i ovo bolesnik ne mora značiti da se radi o stvarno mentalno bolesnim muškarcima. Nema nigdje crno na bijelo da su svi muškarci silovatelji bili mentalno bolesni.
Rekao sam vam jučer, a reći ću i sad. Nemojte ba lupati bezveze o materiji koju ne poznajete.
People struggle with accepting reality primarily because it can be painful, anxiety-inducing, and may challenge their deeply held beliefs, comfort zones, or sense of self. This resistance is a natural psychological response, but it can hinder personal growth and problem-solving. Ultimately, while rejecting reality can offer temporary relief, accepting things as they are is crucial for processing emotions, personal growth, and making effective, realistic choices to move forward.
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Re: IZRAEL: 30 muškaraca silovalo 16-godišnju djevojčicu u hotelu
PrijateljI i rodbina je moraju cuvati od mogućih incidenata i opet dođe neki i kaže da nije sistemski problem.
Ljudi pitaju na društvenim mrežama da se video dijeli i opet nije sistemski problem.
Postali smo neosjetljivi na ove stvari, nema drugog objašnjenja.
Ljudi pitaju na društvenim mrežama da se video dijeli i opet nije sistemski problem.
Postali smo neosjetljivi na ove stvari, nema drugog objašnjenja.
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Re: IZRAEL: 30 muškaraca silovalo 16-godišnju djevojčicu u hotelu
Koliko nismo, toliko i jesmo.MarlboroGold wrote: 23 Aug 2020, 22:36Pa vi ste ga među prvima zauzeli govoreći za oskudno odijevanje... možda ne ti konkretno. Kasnije dokazano statističkim podacima da su slučajevi silovanja skoro pa nepromjenjeni tamo gdje žene nisu oskudno odjevene zbog tradicije itd.Fuddo wrote: 23 Aug 2020, 22:13
Pa sta tu imas zauzimati neki stav?
Kad je u pitanju silovanje, sta sem osude mores rec o tome?
Drugo je sad sto su neke iskoristile ovu vijest da naprdjuju kako na svakom koraku musko gleda samo kako ce nekoga silovati.
I onda se doslo do nekih nebuloznih globalnih pandemija silovanja, i sistematskog kontrolisanja zena kroz cin silovanja.
Od sad kad je u pm posasljem sto mi cupa zivce, rece, eno ga, siluje me.
S pravom "naprđuju" jer to jeste kontrola i dominacija nad ženama po svim mogućim parametrima. To nisu feminističke floskule. Nema muškarca na planeti zemlji koji to radi samo zbog nagona, odnosno biologije, jer nismo životinje. Imaš stotine, pa i hiljade studija koje o tome govore. Žena kad kaže ne ili nemoj takvi bolesnici postanu ljuti na ženu što to govori (što je apsolutno suprotno civilizacijskim vrijednostima), a ne pitaju sebe da li je ono što žele uraditi pogrešno, a onda to i učine. Šta misliš zašto? Eto probaj sam odgovoriti da ti ne moram i ovo objašnjavati.
Čak i ovo bolesnik ne mora značiti da se radi o stvarno mentalno bolesnim muškarcima. Nema nigdje crno na bijelo da su svi muškarci silovatelji bili mentalno bolesni.
Rekao sam vam jučer, a reći ću i sad. Nemojte ba lupati bezveze o materiji koju ne poznajete.
U životinjskom svijetu, silovanje je sasvim normalna pojava i najčešće je motiv istog širenje vlastitih gena.