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Re: IZRAEL: 30 muškaraca silovalo 16-godišnju djevojčicu u hotelu

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Melek wrote: 23 Aug 2020, 22:31 Zadnje od Jerusalem Post:
The number of suspects being detained in suspicion of involvement in the alleged incident now stands on 11.
Police arrested on Saturday two more suspects, both 17 years old, in the investigation into the rape of a 16-year-old while she was vacationing in Eilat, bringing the number of those who have been detained to four.
The victim is expected to confront the suspects on Sunday in court, according to N12. After continued investigations, police believe that the number of suspects is in the double digits and plan on making additional arrests very soon.
Among those who were involved, police believe that some took part in the brutal act while others filmed.
The victim was vacationing with a friend in Eilat and had become inebriated when she was allegedly gang-raped by a group of men. Although the original suspected number of men stood at 30, that number has slowly progressed downwards.
Two other suspects who had been arrested last week were in their 20s.
In addition, a 19-year-old girl from central Israel was taken to be interrogated on Friday after she wrote in a WhatsApp group to anyone who has footage of the violent incident, “Don’t skimp, share.” This was after a different member of that same chat asked if anyone has the footage.
Her interrogation was on the basis of Israel Police’s suspicion that she was “soliciting abominable materials for publication” or attempting to get a hold of photos and videos of the vicious affair so as to share it online. She was released by police under restrictive conditions shortly afterwards when she claimed that she did so without thinking or having any particular intention in mind.
“I felt that she did not know what was happening around her,” said the friend of the victim to the police on Friday, according to N12. “I saw a crowd of a lot of people in the area of the room.”
Meanwhile, the victim is in an unstable mental condition and has been secured by police personnel around her home after her personal details began to spread on social media. This was out of concern for her well-being, as suspects and their families may be able to find and threaten her.
Her friend gave testimony on Friday which police, according to Israel media, finds credible and may lead to additional arrests by the special investigative team working out of the Lachish Center, along with evidence of other men standing outside the girl’s hotel room in security footage.
In the meantime, police are working through the security footage from the hotel, which, when last contacted by the media, claimed that there is no evidence that the incident occurred there, and that if it had, the management on location “would have noticed.”
The hotel did not respond to the police’s claim that the footage from the security cameras proves without a doubt that the incident did occur in the hotel.
The Red Sea Hotel did not respond to The Jerusalem Post’s request for comment at this time.
The police is currently in possession of the full identification information of several other young men documented as having been near the scene of the crime, according to the Police Spokesperson’s Unit.
The Women’s March protests, which have risen once more into the public sphere as a result of the brutal crime, plan to join the protests which are mostly directed towards crying out against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s handling of the coronavirus crisis, as well as holding several independent protests around the country to identify with the victim.
“This is not something that is done in a contained manner,” the Women’s March in Israel spokesperson told the Post. “When we are fighting against government protocol, it is important to add women’s issues into the discussion.”
Following such occurrences like the one in Eilat, “we hear condemnations in the government all the time. There is a culture which was built that allows for these things to happen. We are acting, we are not just condemning.
“We want significant change in the education system, in the judiciary system,” the Women’s March told the Post. “All of the management of these situations creates norms that allow for this to happen. That is why this protest is very political. It is very important to us to support the young girl, especially when we hear that her name has been shared and there are attacks towards her on social media.”
On Sunday at 12, some of Israel’s largest companies, including IAI and Meitav Dash, will be holding strikes to mark their identification with the 16-year-old victim.
Jadna djevojka.
Trauma za citav zivot.

Ako se ustanovi da ima i onih koji su to slikavali i snimali, njima treba capnuti istu kaznu kao da su ucestvovali u silovanju.
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Šta ti sad to znači?

Nismo mi životinje, da smo životinje ne bi se oni krili.
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Ova ignorancija me počinje nervirati. Odoh gledati utakmicu...
People struggle with accepting reality primarily because it can be painful, anxiety-inducing, and may challenge their deeply held beliefs, comfort zones, or sense of self. This resistance is a natural psychological response, but it can hinder personal growth and problem-solving. Ultimately, while rejecting reality can offer temporary relief, accepting things as they are is crucial for processing emotions, personal growth, and making effective, realistic choices to move forward.
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Pazi lik mrtav hladan dođe na temu o silovanju djevojcice da kaže da je silovanje u životinjskom svijetu normalna pojava. :lupa
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Šuti... nemam snage da repliciram na onu glupost.
People struggle with accepting reality primarily because it can be painful, anxiety-inducing, and may challenge their deeply held beliefs, comfort zones, or sense of self. This resistance is a natural psychological response, but it can hinder personal growth and problem-solving. Ultimately, while rejecting reality can offer temporary relief, accepting things as they are is crucial for processing emotions, personal growth, and making effective, realistic choices to move forward.
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Socrates wrote: 23 Aug 2020, 22:46 Pazi lik mrtav hladan dođe na temu o silovanju djevojcice da kaže da je silovanje u životinjskom svijetu normalna pojava. :lupa
Ne potpaljuj me molim te. Svakako se jedva suzdrzavam 2 dana.

Odbicemo mu na glupost.
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Ljudi imaju nagone. Neko ih moze kontrolisati, neko ne moze, neko nece.

Svaki covjek je jedinka za sebe. Nismo roboti
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Lavlje_srce wrote: 23 Aug 2020, 18:10
Dorian wrote: 23 Aug 2020, 17:57Sa nekim bogom da, ali ne sa abrahamskim bogom.

Ne relativizujem zločin, silovanje jeste zločin. Samo kažem da ge ne čine nužno psihopate. I da je greška silovanje posmatrati isključivo kao izraz sile. Ne da nije, ali nije uvijek i isključivo. Iako se pri silovanju nasilje koristi (ili ne, ako je istina da je djevojka bila pijana i nije se branila, onda direktna fizička prinuda nije bila potrebna) ne mora nasilje biti razlog silovanja. Nasilje se pri silovanju može koristiti kao alat, kao sredstvo, ne da je cilj.

Men nije nemoguće pomisliti da postoji jedan muškarac kojeg neka žena toliko uzbuđuje da ne može izdržati da nema seks sa njom. I ako ona ne pristane da je on siluje. Naravno, pri tom činu će koristiti silu. Međutim, ni na koji drugi način prema njoj ne bi bio nasilan, ne bi je vrijeđao, udario itd. Niti bi takav bio prema bilo kojoj drugoj ženi, a ne bi drugu ženi ni silovao.

Takav čovjek bi bio van kategorija čini mi se. Ako postoji, ali zašto ne bi postojao?

Hajdemo drugačije pogledati. Neko siluje nekoga. Član porodice žrtve iz osvete ubije silovatelja. Iako taj član njegove porodice jeste ubio, da li je to hladnokvni ubica, nasilnik, neko ko će opet ubiti jer ima nagon za ubijanjem, čovjek kojeg možemo smjestiti u jednu od kategorija psihičkih poremećaja koji nekoga tjeraju da ubija itd?
Ako postoji muskarac koji ne moze savladati nagone, nije nista drugaciji od vuka, slona, goluba, papagaja, psa. Njime vladaju nagoni, pa je po defaultu potencijalno opasan po okolinu. Medjutim, jos strasnije od njegove nesposobnosti savladavanja nagona, je njegov potpuni nedostatak empatije prema drugoj strani, ako uzmemo u obzir da su traume od silovanja tesko zalijecive/trajne. Samom tom cinjenicom sto ne posjeduje empatiju, po definiciji spada u psihopatsku kategoriju.

To je zlocin iz osvete, odlezace svoju kaznu u zatvoru. Vrlo je moguce da i taj covjek ima poremecaj licnosti, jer vecina ljudi ce to mozda reci, ali ne I UCINITI. Tu ce se na psihijatrijskom vjestacenju gledati da li je ranije imao sukoba sa zakonom, je li bio sklon nasilju i slicno. Mislim pitas ocigledne stvari.
Kako ja vidim, kažeš da samo oni sa poremećajem ličnosti ubijaju ili čine nasilje.

Znači, svi vojnici koji su ubijali u ratovima su imali poremećaj ličnosti. Nagon za samoodržanjem je životinjski nagon iz čega slijedi da kako smo se izdigli iznad životinja da čovjek ne bi trebao da se brani nasilnim metodama čak i kada je nadilno napadnut.
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Duminjo wrote: 23 Aug 2020, 23:27 Ljudi imaju nagone. Neko ih moze kontrolisati, neko ne moze, neko nece.

Svaki covjek je jedinka za sebe. Nismo roboti
Kako izgleda samo poremećeni imaju nagone a normalni jesu roboti.
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Šta sad to znači?

Trideset ljudi koji ne mogu kontrolirati nagone ( zasto bi to bilo izgovor?) se randomly naslo na jednom mjestu da siluje djevojčicu?
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Dorian wrote: 23 Aug 2020, 23:30
Duminjo wrote: 23 Aug 2020, 23:27 Ljudi imaju nagone. Neko ih moze kontrolisati, neko ne moze, neko nece.

Svaki covjek je jedinka za sebe. Nismo roboti
Kako izgleda samo poremećeni imaju nagone a normalni jesu roboti.
Izgleda u svijetu nekom izmisljenom koji nema veze ni sa mozgom ni sa realnoscu
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Melek wrote: 23 Aug 2020, 21:38Ja polazim od pretpostavke da hajvan mora biti pozamasan psihopata da takvo nesto napravi. Samo me frapira cinjenica da se tu nadje cak trideset (30) hajvana sa istim "predispozicijama" koji stoje u redu i cekaju, hej, cekaju na red! Pa koliko i koliko tu psiholoski izopacenih elemenata mora da se slozi da bi bas svi istu stvar pocinili. I ne samo to - pa sama cinjenica (ako izuzmemo silovanje i skoncentrisemo se na sam taj seksualni akt) da imas seks sa nekom osobom neposredno nakon sto je ista imala seks sa drugom (muskom) osobom, moras ili biti dobro perverzan, ili biseksualan pa da ti ne smetaju muski sekreti nekog drugog.

Razumijem do nekle porno filmove i te scene gdje hejbet partnera ima seks sa jednom porno glumicom, tu su svi mentalno spremni, "probrani" i na istim notama, ali ovako nesto, wtf. Onda sto se tice zaraznih bolesti. Zar bas ni jedan od tih trideset na to nije pomislio? To mora da je bio zestok dogovor jako organizovane grupe ludjaka koji su svjesno isli da to rade, jako dobro poznaju jedni druge i sigurni su da su svi zdravi (AIDS i to). Nepojmljivo i misticno do kraja.

Da li se desila situacija u kojoj su svi oni u stvari bili ubijedjeni da je ta cura bila na istim notama i da je ona to htjela?!?

Ovdje nista nije crno-bijelo ali tukne do kraja.
Sva tvoja razmisljanja su na mjestu, ali mislim da ne postoji univerzalan odgovor na tvoja pitanja. Prije svega izgleda da ih nije bilo 30 nego manje, mozda 15, mada to nista znacajno ne mijenja.

Postoje razlicite teorije; psihopatija je u osnovi svake, barem kada su u pitanju glavni akteri - iz prostog razloga sto zrtvu moras dehumanizirati da bi uopce dosao do akta silovanja. Dakle prvo je svedu na objekat za zadovoljavanje njihovih primarnih nagona, od toga potice sve ostalo. Grupa (banda) mora imati jaku koheziju u kojoj preovladava jaki macho diskurs, ismijavanje, ponizavanje i degradacija zena. Oni sa slabijim identitetom (potrcci) svakako rade ono sto vodja radi, pa ih nije tesko nagovoriti na bilo sto. Diskurs takvih skupina je agresivan, borilacki, IQ vecine nizak. Eto kako stignes do tog akta.

Osim toga, slicni primjeri nas uce o cemu se tu radi. U 2012 Jyoti Singh, 23-godisnja studentica medicine je s prijateljem otisla u kino da gledaju 'The life of Pi'. Poslije kina, u 8 navece ih vozac rikse nije htio vratiti do kuce nego ih je ostavio na pola puta. Tu im se ponudio sofer mini-busa, unutra je bilo jos 5 osoba, oni su mislili da su putnici, a bili su clanovi bande. Kad su usli, brutalno su napadnuti metalnim sipkama, a ona je zatim od svih njih (jedan je bio maloljetan) brutalno silovana, ukljucujuci rdjavom sipkom. Zatim su ih izbacili iz mini-busa, a vozac ih je pokusao zgaziti. Ona je prebacena u Singapur gdje je podlegla za 2 dana. Jedan od aktera je izjavio: 'Pristojna djevojka se ne bi vrtila napolju u 9 navece. Djevojka je daleko odgovornija za silovanje nego mladic.'

Cetvorica su osudjena na smrtnu kaznu, jedan se ubio u zatvoru ili je bio ubijen, maloljetnik je ostavljen na zivotu.

Toliko o bestijalnosti.

Stavljam njenu fotografiju, da 'neuki' vide koliko je u svemu tome bilo bitno njeno odijevanje. Sto se tice ponasanja, Indijke su standardno tihe, smjerne i nasmijesene upravo ovakve kako ona izgleda.

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Evo i ubica:

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O kakvim vi nagonima pricate?
O nagonima za silovanje?

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Socrates wrote: 23 Aug 2020, 23:31 Šta sad to znači?

Trideset ljudi koji ne mogu kontrolirati nagone ( zasto bi to bilo izgovor?) se randomly naslo na jednom mjestu da siluje djevojčicu?
Možeš ti to i bolje.. Znas da ne znaci ovako kako si napiso
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Ma ili oni ne znaju sta pričaju uopste ili znaju vrlo dobro, pa nema smisla objašnjavati.
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Duminjo wrote: 23 Aug 2020, 23:48
Socrates wrote: 23 Aug 2020, 23:31 Šta sad to znači?

Trideset ljudi koji ne mogu kontrolirati nagone ( zasto bi to bilo izgovor?) se randomly naslo na jednom mjestu da siluje djevojčicu?
Možeš ti to i bolje.. Znas da ne znaci ovako kako si napiso
Pa eto o čemu onda govorite? Upravo zbog činjenice da ih je bilo 30 ovo i jeste zločin protiv čovječnosti. Jer je urađen svjesno, sa dogovorom, u saradnji sa drugima, a ne zbog neke situacije u kojoj jedan idiot nije mogao kontrolirati nagone.
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Shit Jews motherfucker
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Dobro ba bibi odvadi malo. Kakav sad zlocin protiv covjecnosti
Iskustvo mi je pomoglo da u sebi nađem balans
Pa okoreli šaban začas postao je šaman
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I oblacenje itekako, u nekim situacijama, moze biti okidac.
Ima fino objasnjeno na nekoj od prethodnih stranica samo pojedincima ne ide u prilog kako bi mogli upirati prstom i nekoga optužiti da opravdava silovanje.

Strasni sugovornici 😂
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Mister No wrote: 22 Aug 2020, 10:08 Za svako silovanje bi trebalo uvesti kazne od minimum 20 god pa na vise, a za grupna od 40.
Za ponavljače u zlocinu kastraciju i dozivotnu, kad vec nema smrtne.
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