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Re: Vojne doktrine,uputstva,prirucnici i slicno.

Post: # 3065377Post Osa
11 Nov 2021, 16:41

General War wrote: 11 Nov 2021, 16:29
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Nije bgm, uvijek se može desiti nešto nepredviđeno, neka poteškoća, neke pogibije, zasjede, pojačanja, itd.

Prisjeti se kako su Foke zamalo pale s neba, kad su krenule po Bin Ladena. Nemereš biti efikasan, samo s pozicije k-danta divizije, moraju biti kvalitetni komandiri, samo to tvrdim i ništa više
Kazu, ako uspijes sakriti predstojecu akciju pola posla si vec odradio, niko ne kaze da komandiri ne sluze nicemu...naravno da sluze za realizaciju plana...ali ne mozes od njih ocekivati da znaju ko je gdje i ko kad napada...jedno je nesretan slucaj a drugo je srljanje.
Nekako mi se cini, da iako priznajes da komandiri ceta, vodova, komandanti bataljona imaju svoje mjesto, ipak mislis da je ovo sto Kroki pise "zastarjelo". Dok je god konvencionalnog ratovanja i "cizama na zemlji", veliki, OGROMAN faktor ima to, koga si postavio za k-dire manjih jedinica. U svakoj teskoj situaciji, oni su tu da ohrabre, da sacuvaju zivote.

Pocesto se dese i problemi sa komunikacijama (cak i obicni rucni radio). Tada su ti ljudi zlata vrijedni.

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Re: Vojne doktrine,uputstva,prirucnici i slicno.

Post: # 3065385Post General War
11 Nov 2021, 16:47

MorningStar wrote: 11 Nov 2021, 16:40 Interesantno uputstvo iz Americke doktrine ratovanja:

Za napad prema neprijatelju odnos snaga mora da bude u minimumu 3 na 1 - u specificnim slucajevima te urbanoj borbi do 7 na 1.

Dio:
The 3-1 rule of land combat is a military aphorism rooted in operations research that states that an attacking force should have a 3 to 1 advantage over a defending force in order to succeed. The reason the attacking force must be so large of course, is to account for losses that can occur when assaulting a fortified position. A smaller attacking force often assumes much greater risk by not having enough soldiers to create and exploit a breach; likewise, choice of terrain, cover, level of preparedness, area denial, distance to resupply, distance to reinforcements, and home field advantage (morale) is usually on the side of the defender.

1986 survey of 600 land battles from 1600 to 1973 by the U.S. Army Concepts Analysis Agency.


Statistics above (though arguably vague) suggest that the 3:1 rule is not always necessary for an attacking army to win (the attacker still won close to 50% when facing 1:1 odds). However the 3:1 rule might still be a good rule of thumb when planning offensive operations. When an invading army numbered over 3:1, they succeeded 74% of the time.
Uvjek je tako bilo, jer moras da uzmes broj sopstvenih zrtava sto nije problem po sebi vec koliko ce zadeverati oko sebe...jedan ranjen medicinar plus cetvorica sto nose van vatrene linije...odma ti se vod upolovio.
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Re: Vojne doktrine,uputstva,prirucnici i slicno.

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11 Nov 2021, 16:51

MorningStar wrote: 11 Nov 2021, 16:48 Image
Najinteresantniji mi je taj prvi, imal šta pobliže o njemu?
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Post: # 3065396Post General War
11 Nov 2021, 16:52

Osa wrote: 11 Nov 2021, 16:41
General War wrote: 11 Nov 2021, 16:29
Kazu, ako uspijes sakriti predstojecu akciju pola posla si vec odradio, niko ne kaze da komandiri ne sluze nicemu...naravno da sluze za realizaciju plana...ali ne mozes od njih ocekivati da znaju ko je gdje i ko kad napada...jedno je nesretan slucaj a drugo je srljanje.
Nekako mi se cini, da iako priznajes da komandiri ceta, vodova, komandanti bataljona imaju svoje mjesto, ipak mislis da je ovo sto Kroki pise "zastarjelo". Dok je god konvencionalnog ratovanja i "cizama na zemlji", veliki, OGROMAN faktor ima to, koga si postavio za k-dire manjih jedinica. U svakoj teskoj situaciji, oni su tu da ohrabre, da sacuvaju zivote.

Pocesto se dese i problemi sa komunikacijama (cak i obicni rucni radio). Tada su ti ljudi zlata vrijedni.
Ma naravno da imaju svoje mjesto izvrsno mjesto ali planiranje radi onaj koji ima kompletan uvid u situaciju na sirem podrucju u dogovoru drugih operativnih zona...jer mora biti faktor iznenadjenja, mora biti dotur MTSa i hrane, mora se obezbjediti bok, mora se obezbjediti podrska, mora se obezbjediti sprjecavanje kontra ofanzive i dolaska pojacanja neprijatelja...to onako sto se uprosteno sjecam.
Naravno da je zastarjelo...jos opasnije simplificirano. Ako ne uspijes u naumu, jebene su konsekvence.
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Post: # 3065398Post MorningStar
11 Nov 2021, 16:53

Šabović Adis wrote: 11 Nov 2021, 16:51
MorningStar wrote: 11 Nov 2021, 16:48 Image
Najinteresantniji mi je taj prvi, imal šta pobliže o njemu?
Ako si u Bosni to ti ne treba :oo :oo :oo :oo
Strategic Level. Strategy is a prudent idea or set of ideas for employing the
instruments of national power in a synchronized and integrated fashion to achieve theater
and multinational objectives. At the strategic level, a nation often determines the national
(or multinational in the case of an alliance or coalition) guidance that addresses strategic
objectives in support of strategic end states and develops and uses national resources to
achieve them. The President, aided by the National Security Council (NSC) and Homeland
Security Council (HSC) as the National Security Staff, establishes policy and national
strategic objectives. The day-to-day work of the NSC and HSC is accomplished by the
combined National Security Staff, the President’s principal staff for national security
issues. The Secretary of Defense (SecDef) translates these into strategic military objectives
that facilitate identification of the military end state and theater strategic planning by the
combatant commanders (CCDRs). CCDRs usually participate in strategic discussions with
the President and SecDef through the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (CJCS) and
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strategy and operational-level activities within the theater
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Post: # 3065403Post General War
11 Nov 2021, 16:54

Šabović Adis wrote: 11 Nov 2021, 16:51
MorningStar wrote: 11 Nov 2021, 16:48 Image
Najinteresantniji mi je taj prvi, imal šta pobliže o njemu?
Pa prvi odlucuje jesi li pobjedio ili nisi...zans ono od semse: "Izgubila sve sam bitke al jos vodim rat" Rat je strateski cilj, a bitke su takticki i operativni dio do cilja.
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Post: # 3065425Post Šabović Adis
11 Nov 2021, 17:12

MorningStar wrote: 11 Nov 2021, 16:53
Šabović Adis wrote: 11 Nov 2021, 16:51

Najinteresantniji mi je taj prvi, imal šta pobliže o njemu?
Ako si u Bosni to ti ne treba :oo :oo :oo :oo
U pravi si, šta se i ja trzam qq. :valja
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Re: Vojne doktrine,uputstva,prirucnici i slicno.

Post: # 3065428Post MorningStar
11 Nov 2021, 17:14

Šabović Adis wrote: 11 Nov 2021, 17:12
MorningStar wrote: 11 Nov 2021, 16:53

Ako si u Bosni to ti ne treba :oo :oo :oo :oo
U pravi si, šta se i ja trzam qq. :valja
Nemoj me pogresno shvatiti, to bi trebalo itekako - ali ti sto trebaju da rade na tome su zauzeti tako da .... momci samo hrabro naprijed :ooo

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Post: # 3065442Post Šabović Adis
11 Nov 2021, 17:25

MorningStar wrote: 11 Nov 2021, 17:14
Šabović Adis wrote: 11 Nov 2021, 17:12

U pravi si, šta se i ja trzam qq. :valja
Nemoj me pogresno shvatiti, to bi trebalo itekako - ali ti sto trebaju da rade na tome su zauzeti tako da .... momci samo hrabro naprijed :ooo
Ma ni najmanje! :ok
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