HDZ i hrvatsko nacionalno pitanje u BiH

[Julia-Klara]

Austrijski “Der Standard” o ustaškoj misi u Sarajevu: Šta se desilo u Bleiburgu

Uoči obilježavanja ogodišnjice Bleiburga, austrijski „Der Standard“ piše o “masovnim ubistvima 1945. koja su posvađala jugoistočne Evropljane” – i strahu od rehabilitacije ustaštva.

“Mnogi se boje da bi ta komemoracija mogla biti instrumentalizirana za rehabilitaciju fašističke, ustaške države NDH” – tako dopisnica austrijskog lista s područja jugoistočne Evrope Adelheid Wolfl odmah na početku svog teksta opisuje ono što najviše muči kritičare najavljene mise zadušnice koju bi 16. maja u sarajevskoj katedrali trebao služiti kardinal Vinko Puljić. Oni se protive održavanju mise, prenosi Deutsche Welle.

vise na: https://raport.ba/austrijski-der-standa ... c6Kol2eQnM

I jos (za vas koji znate njemacki, a mozda i Google prevede kako treba):
Tatsächlich haben bis zum Vorjahr manche Besucher, die nach Bleiburg kamen, Ustascha-Abzeichen getragen und den faschistischen Gruß gezeigt. Voriges Jahr hat die österreichische Polizei aber zahlreiche Maßnahmen angekündigt. Und tatsächlich hat dies gewirkt – Provokationen durch Rechtsradikale wurden weniger. Weil das Gedenken aber schon die Jahre zuvor instrumentalisiert worden war, genehmigte im Vorjahr die österreichische katholische Kirche keine Messe mehr.

... Laut einem britischen Untersuchungsbericht wurden aber zwischen dem 18. und dem 31. Mai 12.196 Kroaten, 8.263 Slowenen, 5.480 Serben und 400 Montenegriner an die jugoslawische Armee übergeben. Ferenc schreibt, dass es eine Verordnung gab, wonach alle Jugoslawen, die mit den deutschen Truppen kollabiert hatten, an die Tito-Partisanen ausgeliefert werden sollten. Auf dem Rückweg Richtung Kroatien kam es dann zu Massenexekutionen.

Die Kroaten seien in dem Marsch hinter den serbischen Paramilitärs und den montenegrinischen Tschetniks gegangen, so Ferenc. Die letzten in der Reihe seien die slowenischen Heimwehren gewesen, etwa 10.000 Menschen. Danach seien die Zivilisten gefolgt. Die meisten dieser Gefangenen seien in das Lager Šentvid bei Ljubljana gekommen, die anderen nach Teharje bei Celje. Die Slowenen seien in drei Gruppen eingeteilt worden. Die Gruppe C wurde sofort ermordet. Die Opfer wurden in Felsklüfte und in Gruben verscharrt.

https://www.derstandard.at/story/200011 ... -heuer-aus

[Melek]

Op trt gevezn zajn

[Melek]

[arzuhal]

https://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/sar ... 82914.aspx

[shark-attack]

malo hronolshi, ovaj" Maj" uvijek pravi probleme, (tako je bilo i sa deshavanjima tokom AGRESIJE) u Sarajevu pa se pomijeshali 2 i 3 Maj (1992)i deshavanja ko/shta/koga/kako/zbog cega

On 6 May 1945, the collaborationist government of the Independent State of Croatia fled Zagreb,[23] and arrived to a location near Klagenfurt, Austria on 7 May.[24] Ante Pavelić, the Poglavnik (de facto prime minister and leader) of the NDH, and the military leadership left Zaprešić on the evening of 7 May, intending to join the rest of his regime in Austria.[25]

On 7 May 1945, Germany surrendered unconditionally to the Allied powers, marking the formal end of World War II in Europe.[1] The German Instrument of Surrender applied to German Wehrmacht forces in Yugoslavia as well as those armed forces under German command such as the armed forces of the puppet Independent State of Croatia. This would ordinarily have meant that they too had to cease their activities on 8 May and stay where they found themselves. The Ustaše military, however, came under the command of Ante Pavelić,[1][26] because as they were about to surrender, General Alexander Löhr, Commander-in-Chief of Army Group E handed command of the Croatian forces to Pavelić on 8 May.[27]


svabe se predaju, pavelic kaze "nema predaje"

Pavelić issued an order from Rogaška Slatina for his troops not to surrender to the Partisans, but to escape to Austria, in order to implement the Croatian government's decision of 3 May to flee to Austria.[27][28]

On 8 May, Zagreb was liberated by the Partisan 1st and 2nd Army, with relatively few skirmishes and casualties: the 1st Army reported to the General Staff how they killed 10,901 enemy soldiers and captured 15,892 in the taking of Zagreb.[29] The same day, the headquarters of the 51st Vojvodina Division of the Yugoslav 3rd Army issued a dispatch ordering its units to consider all enemy officers and soldiers who continue resistance after midnight that day, and who are not part of units who had an organized surrender, as persons who do not have the status of prisoners of war, and to treat them as bandits.[29]

The German surrender obstructed the progress of the columns fleeing Croatia northwards.[29] In addition, as soon as 9 May, Partisan forces had moved into Maribor which eliminated that escape route. They also took control of Celje on 10 May, but with a force insufficient to halt the columns that were escaping towards Dravograd.[30]


9 Maj Marshal javno objavljuje:

The Yugoslav Prime Minister and Commander-in-Chief, Marshal Josip Broz Tito, repeatedly issued calls for surrender to the retreating columns. Following the surrender on 8 May of all German forces and their subordinate commands (which legally included all military formations of the NDH), Tito issued an address via Radio Belgrade on 9 May calling upon all armed collaborators to surrender, threatening "merciless response" from the people and the army should they refuse to do so

i dalje "na istoku stare price, na zapadu nishta novo"


14 Maj, shvabe se davno predale rat zvanicno zavrshen josh uvijek nema predaje


As late as 14 May 1945, a week after the war in Europe had ended, military conflicts between the Partisans and the retreating collaborationist forces continued across Slovenia and in their time in Austria. Of these, the biggest confrontation was the Battle of Poljana on 14 May, which ended in a Partisan victory and caused the retreating column to change direction, at a cost of several hundred casualties.

Isti dan Marshal shalje depeshu:

On 14 May Tito dispatched a telegram to the supreme headquarters Slovene Partisan Army prohibiting "in the sternest language" the execution of prisoners of war and commanding the transfer of the possible suspects to a military court.

You are to undertake the most energetic measures to prevent at all costs any killing of prisoners of war and of those arrested by military units, state organs or individuals. If there are persons among the prisoners and arrestees who should answer for war crimes, they are to be handed over immediately to military courts pending due process.
—Marshal Josip Broz Tito, Chief of the Yugoslav General Staff and Prime Minister of Yugoslavia, telegram of 14 May 1945 to the Partisan command in Slovenia

15 maj
The NDH troops began surrendering to the British on 15 May. The British negotiator was Brigadier Patrick T. D. Scott of the 38th (Irish) Infantry Brigade.[37] Ustaše infantry generals Ivo Herenčić of the V Ustasha Corps, and a translator, Professor/Colonel Danijel Crljen of the Ustasha propaganda office, were involved in the surrender negotiations.[38][39] In the afternoon of the same day, the Croatian forces started raising white flags in surrender.[40] The Partisan representatives included Major-General Milan Basta, the political commissar of the 51st Vojvodina Division, and Lieutenant Colonel Ivan Kovačič Efenka of the 14th Attack Division.
NDH military representatives attempted to negotiate a surrender to the British, but were directed to surrender to the Yugoslav military,[38] in accordance with Article 20 of the Hague Convention: After the conclusion of peace, the repatriation of prisoners of war shall be carried out as quickly as possible. General Brian Robertson gave British troops the order, "All surrendered personnel of established Yugoslav nationality who were serving in German Forces should be disarmed and handed over to Yugoslav forces"



shto su neki mogli proc, a neki nisu pitati Britanske zvanicnike, a i Vatikan (izmedju ostalih) bi mogao otvoriti svoje arhive i"citabe" pokazati...samo bojim se da "nemaju nishta zapisano", 'izgorila" dokumentacija.

I za sve je kriv MARSHAL!
eee

[insomnia]

Berlin pao Odzak nije

[insomnia]

Ovi iz FGR nadigli hampu aj Luburic. Uradio ovo, uradio ono. Ubio ovog onako, onog onako. Spomenes mu nekog cetalja iz devedesetih koji je bio kud i kamo monstrouzniji od ove Hustaske budaletine, napadne te vice valja zivjeti a ovi iz dijaspore zavadjaju. Onima iz pedjinog pokreta obnove puna usta antifasizma dok im clanica predsjednistva stranke pred sudom brani jednog Jovu Tintora a predsjednicki kandidat se sastaje sa isljednicima iz HVO logora.

[Krokodil Behko]

Ovi iz FGR nadigli hampu aj Luburic. Uradio ovo, uradio ono. Ubio ovog onako, onog onako. Spomenes mu nekog cetalja iz devedesetih koji je bio kud i kamo monstrouzniji od ove Hustaske budaletine, napadne te vice valja zivjeti a ovi iz dijaspore zavadjaju. Onima iz pedjinog pokreta obnove puna usta antifasizma dok im clanica predsjednistva stranke pred sudom brani jednog Jovu Tintora a predsjednicki kandidat se sastaje sa isljednicima iz HVO logora.

Pa u tome bi bio problem.
Nije problem Luburić jebeš njega. To je bilo davno.
Šta sa ovim skorašnjim fašistima, a realno, ako im hepeci sad dozvole, eto ih do sabaha opet.
Ali ne. Imamo tu agendu o suživotu i svi se kunu u to, s tim da to liči na bratstvo i jedinstvo, kad je na kraju ispalo onako kako je i ispalo, a valjda svi znamo, ko je ispao najnaivniji. sad opet isto, samo je u upotrebi kraći izraz.. Ono ko kad Hanibal napiše "brt"

[Pasaga]

bitno je uspavat cojka u podne ....

[Krokodil Behko]

Hajmo sad svi zamisliti, da su iza ww2 u Njemačkoj ostali nacisti na vlasti, a Poljake i Čehe ubjeđuju da je to sve normalno i da se trebaju okrenuti budućnosti i zaboraviti prošlost.

Ovaj ću post ponoviti, ako ne bude komentara i lajkova, jer mislim da je jako pametan

[Pasaga]

nemoj....
ponavljat ...
zivimo to vec 25...6 ...god.

[Krokodil Behko]

Odoše nargile - dođoše virusi: Samra Ćosović-Hajdarević traži da se kazne svi učesnici protestnog skupa u Sarajevu

Samra Ćosović-Hajdarević, zastupnica SDA u Skupštini Kantona Sarajevo, na današnjoj sjednici zatražila je da nadležni organi identifikuju i kazne sve osobe koje su se okupile u Sarajevu kako bi izrazile nezadovoljstvo održavanjem svete mise za žrtve Bleiburga, prenosi N1.

"Pozivam sve odgovorne za očuvanje javnog reda i mira da na osnovu snimka identifikuju i kazne sve osobe koje su učinile prekršaj i naredbu zabrana", rekla je Ćosović-Hajdarević na online sjednici.

Događaj se desio 16. maja, a prema informacijama iz nadležnih institucija - skupu je prisustvovalo blizu 5.000 građana. Počeo je ispred Filozofskog fakulteta u Sarajevu, a onda je održana mirna šetnja do Vječne vatre.

Ona je upitala ko će snositi odgovornost ako dođe do pogoršanja epidemiološke situacije, ako bude povećan broj zaraženih.

(SB)

[insomnia]

Posteno

[carobnjak N]

ja budale žene
pa kod nas je prošli petak bila puna džamija ljudi , ništa razmak i to

[Mohr]

Jadnica, nije ona kriva...

[HAVANA]

Ova bas nista ne zna u zivotu osim glupostima skretati paznju na sebe.

[Mirelam]

ja budale žene
pa kod nas je prošli petak bila puna džamija ljudi , ništa razmak i to

To su drugi motivi i zakoni, nije Samricina ingerencija.

[carobnjak N]

rahmetli hafiz Hadžimulić, inače dugogodišnji imam Careve džamije, a u Sarajevu vlada mišljenje da je on evlija- dobri , govori
u svojim memoarima , kako je izbjegao vješanje na Marindvoru .

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[Krokodil Behko]

Četvorica ustaša, napustili BH P.E.N. jer se ne slažu s pismom kojeg je ta institucija uputila, u vezi mise.
Pismo je bilo antifašističko skroz.

Ivan Lovrenović, Miljenko Jergović, Željko Ivanković i Ivica Đikić zatražili su da ih se briše iz članstva P.E.N. Centra u BiH zbog stavova iz njihovog pisma o temi mise za žrtve Bleiburga koja se ove subote održala u Sarajevu.

[carobnjak N]

Četvorica ustaša, napustili BH P.E.N. jer se ne slažu s pismom kojeg je ta institucija uputila, u vezi mise.
Pismo je bilo antifašističko skroz.

Ivan Lovrenović, Miljenko Jergović, Željko Ivanković i Ivica Đikić zatražili su da ih se briše iz članstva P.E.N. Centra u BiH zbog stavova iz njihovog pisma o temi mise za žrtve Bleiburga koja se ove subote održala u Sarajevu.

Pa to je tvoj svjetonazor, tzv "osuda bivseg rezima" kroz Blajburg i tekovina Nob-a . Kako sad "ustase" ?