Ne kako sam ja ucio te ucim - nema potrebe za nosenjem repetiranog pistolja a posebno recimo glocka (koji nema nikakvo dodatno osiguranje za razliku od recimo HS-a,colta i slicno. Rizikuje se opaljenje ako ispadne,nesto zakaci obarac ako nije zasticen, pri povlacenju u stresnoj situaciji ljudi znaju prst na obarac odmah na povlacenju i eto metka kroz nogu.U US Army,USMC,Francuskoj vojsci,Legiji,Britanskoj vojsci,Spanskoj vojsci - je zabranjeno vojniku/marincu/legionaru staviti pistolj rapetiran - OSIM u ponekim slucajevima kada se radi o double action pistoljima sa cekicom - gdje moze metak u cijev ali cekic mora se spustiti naprijed kako bi okidac postao mnogo "tezi".rocko wrote: 15 Dec 2021, 05:16Svaki pistolj se nosi sa metkom u cijevi, a neznam o kojim to sluzbama pricas ? U USA treniras kako se boris i boris se kako si trenirao, od pozornika u selu do Direktora FBI svi nose pistolj sa metkom u cijevi i svi isti potezu iz zakopcane futrole ( da si obratio paznju na video koji sam postavio zapazio bi da je svaki potegao pistolj iz zakopcane futrole present ga na metu i poceo pucati da ni jedan nije repetirao pistolj)na kvalifikacijama . Glock se nosi sa metkom u cijevi od kad ga je Gaston napravio. Draw zanaci izvlacnje /potezanje iz jer je uslovljeno manipulacijom pistolja iz futrole.MorningStar wrote: 14 Dec 2021, 11:32
Jesi siguran da je na obaracu ? Onako samo pitam , jesi siguran da nije spusten na stranu pored obaraca te je savijen na isti nakon repetiranja - jesi siguran - siguran sam![]()
Stvarno - samo iz futrole i sa metkom u cijevi - nisam znao da je dozvoljeno imati glock rapetiran u futroli u bilo kojem slucaju - niti bilo kojoj sluzbi, te nisam znao da se ne moze quick draw vjezbati bez futrole,u autu,iz harness-a i tako - jedino mozda ako neces da kazes da TAKMiCARSKI quick draw se radi iz futrole sa metkom u cijevi i revolverom ( al samo mozda)
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Svaki revolver u zadnjih 60-70 godina je po dizajnu sa "metkom u cijevi " to je u 18-19 vijeku bilo neophodno da se drzi oroz revolvera na praznom lezistu , ono pet metaka u dobos a na prazno mjesto oroz i kad potegnes obarac dobos se zarotira i donese metak, danas nema za tim potrebe.
Skromnost kao vrlina je budalastina, treba Asim Kurijak da se stidi sto je bolji ginekolog od mnogih, Tuka jer je bolji atleticar od nekih rekreativaca , itd.
Draw - moze biti po onome sto ja znam i ucili su me i ucim , iz torbice,sa pojasa,iz futrole,iz lezista u autu (ne pricamo o takmicarskom).
Da onda procitaj sta sam napisao kad sam rekao za takmicarski quick draw " samo u takmicarskom quick draw moze metak u cijevi i revolverima koliko sam upoznat postoje quick draw takmicenja sa revolverima te pistoljima pretezno sa cekicom.
Skromnost je u jednoj zakletvi sto sam polozio, naravno to je kako ja - ti imas svoje nacine

Addendum:Whenever you handle a firearm or hand it to someone, always open the action immediately, and visually check the chamber, receiver and magazine to be certain they do not contain any ammunition. Always keep actions open when not in use. Never assume a gun is unloaded — check for yourself! This is considered a mark of an experienced gun handler!
Never cross a fence, climb a tree or perform any awkward action with a loaded gun. While in the field, there will be times when common sense and the basic rules of firearms safety will require you to unload your gun for maximum safety. Never pull or push a loaded firearm toward yourself or another person. There is never any excuse to carry a loaded gun in a scabbard, a holster not being worn or a gun case. When in doubt, unload your gun!
3. DON’T RELY ON YOUR GUN’S “SAFETY”
Don't Rely On Your Gun's SafetyTreat every gun as though it can fire at any time. The “safety” on any gun is a mechanical device which, like any such device, can become inoperable at the worst possible time. Besides, by mistake, the safety may be “off” when you think it is “on.” The safety serves as a supplement to proper gun handling but cannot possibly serve as a substitute for common sense. You should never handle a gun carelessly and assume that the gun won’t fire just because the “safety is on.”
Never touch the trigger on a firearm until you actually intend to shoot. Keep your fingers away from the trigger while loading or unloading. Never pull the trigger on any firearm with the safety on the “safe” position or anywhere in between “safe” and “fire.” It is possible that the gun can fire at any time, or even later when you release the safety, without you ever touching the trigger again.
Never place the safety in between positions, since half-safe is unsafe. Keep the safety “on” until you are absolutely ready to fire.
Regardless of the position of the safety, any blow or jar strong enough to actuate the firing mechanism of a gun can cause it to fire. This can happen even if the trigger is not touched, such as when a gun is dropped. Never rest a loaded gun against any object because there is always the possibility that it will be jarred or slide from its position and fall with sufficient force to discharge. The only time you can be absolutely certain that a gun cannot fire is when the action is open and it is completely empty. Again, never rely on your gun’s safety. You and the safe gun handling procedures you have learned are your gun’s primary safeties
I’m amazed by how much hate I get when I admit to carrying my concealed weapon “Israeli style” with a loaded magazine and an empty chamber. Any safety, if present, is set to the fire position.
Please don’t comment with phrases like “you might as well be carrying a club” or “ the only safety I need is between my ears.” It sounds exactly like the empty phrases anti-gunners use when open carry is discussed. “Blood in the streets,” “every argument becomes a gunfight.” These are unthinking responses.
Let’s see where we can all agree.
We all agree an everyday carry gun should have proper self defense ammo and it should be broken in and in good working order. Here in Florida, open carry is only allowed while hunting and fishing, so concealed carry is the only choice for daily carry. The only argument is in what condition it should be carried.
I will start by saying that I concede that carrying with an empty chamber requires two hands to rack the slide. While there are one-handed methods to rack the slide, these are advanced techniques.
If you’re carrying something when attacked, you need to drop it. Dropping your items is actually a good distraction while you draw. If the item you’re carrying is a baby, you might want to set it down more gently. Although I will say that as a pediatric anesthesiologist and a father, I have seen more than one baby dropped with no ill effects (to the baby). Still, avoid if at all possible.
Another argument against empty chamber carry is the possibility of short-stroking the slide and having a misfeed. This is certainly possible. The answer is to practice drawing, racking and firing until it becomes part of muscle memory and can be done without thinking.
I don’t agree that Israeli carry is any slower than chambered carry. Most ranges near me don’t allow practicing drawing from a holster, so most people never practice this vital skill. Dry fire practice with snap caps can help, but there is no substitute for live fire drills.
Outdoor practice on private property is possible, but few people here in South Florida will have access to open land. A local range allows customers to draw in one bay. You tell them you are going to practice drawing from concealed holster and you can open the half door of the last bay. Please note the holes in the floor and the door from people pulling the trigger too soon.
I practice drawing and racking every time I shoot, and am faster than many of my gun buddies who never get the chance to practice this vital skill. I don’t claim to be a fast draw artist. I just practice to be smooth in my draw. That’s much faster than a person without much practice hurrying their draw.
Please also remember that the Israeli carry draw is to pull the gun from the holster and rack the slide as you present it. This takes the same amount of time as drawing and presenting a chambered gun. Even with a round chambered, you have to draw and present the gun
Let’s do a thought experiment where it’s two seconds slower the rack the slide versus what I call GLOCK-style carry. You get a shot off in one second and I need three seconds. We are both attacked with a knife at time zero. Between zero and one seconds we are both stabbed. Between one and three seconds, you get off a shot and I do not. After three seconds we both are blasting away.
I accept that there’s a window where I don’t get off a shot and someone else does during the two-second window. I accept that penalty for the extra safety Israeli carry offers.
A gun with an empty chamber CANNOT have a negligent discharge. A child can pick it up and pull the trigger and nothing will happen. You have to make the conscious decision and have the strength to rack the slide.
Negligent discharges are far more common than armed self defense. I ask TTAG how many readers have had a ND? I expect it’s a significant fraction, if not a majority. I handle my gun twice each day, when I put it on and take it off. Sometimes more if I have to enter a legal gun-free zone. Each time is a potential ND.
Let’s talk about actual gunfights and the need for one more round. I always see gun capacity measured as 8+1 or 10+1. That +1 is the round in the chamber. It’s almost never needed. As a matter of fact, reloads are almost never needed.
The best analysis of citizen armed self defense is the one by Claude Werner of five years of Armed Citizen articles in the American Rifleman magazine (you can read it here). The results are fascinating. These are citizen-only, no law enforcement shootings from 1997 to 2001.
Of 482 incidents, there were only three reloads. One of those was an escaped lion, shot with a .32 caliber and required 13 shots. The average number of shots fired was two. In 80% of the incidents, the citizen had time to take their firearm from storage, often from another room. People on the web worry about being ambushed, but you will likely be aware of an impending assault.
I don’t presume to tell others how to carry a concealed weapon. As I do the calculus, I choose the added safety of Israeli style carry and accept the penalty of one less round and the need for two hands. I think the chance of short-stroking the slide and misfeeding a round is extremely unlikely due to constant practice.
As a final note, I would like to say that the most important thing is to always have a gun with you. Know the laws in your state so you know when you cannot shoot. Practice drawing and live firing and keep your situational awareness up.